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<conspiracyFile>A Dialogue with a former member of the Intelligence Community
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This summer, while on vacation back to my families residence, I encountered a
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family friend that I had not seen since 1973. For obvious reasons I will not
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identify him, but for this record will call him "Paul". Paul is retired from
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over 30 years of distinguished government service, is a widower, and is one of
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the most closed mouthed men I have ever known. When I first came back from
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Viet Nam in 1972, I saw Paul at a family get together, and even though he was
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just back from South East Asia, he never mentioned it. I found out through his
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brother. When I went back east, I had taken a number of text files from my
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records, for my sister, who is fascinated by the subject of UFO's. It so
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happened that one evening, my sister and I and wife and another friend, Bob,
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were sitting outside my mothers house, and were discussing several of the
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files that I had taken back. Paul stopped out at the house, as he was going
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to a function with his sister and my mother. He sat down on the patio with
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us, and as usual, did not say much. My sister was reading the file concerned
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with the Majestic 12 papers and making some comments, that if this file was
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for real, the implications of alien contact could be staggering for the world
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if verified. At this point Paul leaned forward and asked if he could see the
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papers. My sister passed several of the texts to him, and until he left, he
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spent the remainder of his time reading them. Just before he left, he got me
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off to the side, and asked how I was involved with UFO's. I told him that I
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was an investigator for MUFON, and was involved with a computer network system
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with Paranet. This was the first of several conversations I had with Paul,
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and I don't ask anyone to believe it, because, frankly, I have problems with
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several things he told me. And you may wonder why Paul would tell me
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anything, considering his government service, and the agency he worked for.
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To begin with, Paul is very ill, the last time I spoke with him, he told me
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that he doesn't expect to be around for more than 18 months, maximum. Next,
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he told me that he never agreed with all the secrecy that surrounded the
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government and the subject of UFO's. And lastly, what he hinted at was
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actually occuring seemed to haunt him. As he said, there wasn't a hell of a
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lot that even the government was able to do about the situation. I present
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the following, and you can make up your own mind about whether to believe or
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not.
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This summer past ( 1988 ) was the 20th reunion of my High School. This
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was the reason that I traveled back, and besides, my wife is in love with the
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east coast. While back, I became ill, and ended up spending almost two weeks
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in the hospital. Paul came and visited me, and this is how we ended having
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the several conversations that we had.
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Paul at first asked if I realized what dangers were present in the subject of
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UFO's. I said "No", but I had heard rumors that this could be the case. He
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said you damned betcha it could. "If you stumbled over the right
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information you could end up among the missing, and Don, this sure as hell
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wouldn't be the first time."
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I asked him how he came to know so much about the subject, and he said with
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the job he held, it was his business to know about a lot of things. I then
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said come on Paul, I had dealings with spooks while in Viet Nam, so don't try
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that line on me. He told me then, that this was to his knowledge, still one of
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the most highly classified subjects in the intelligence community . That
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brought to mind the "Smith Memo" from the 50's, and I relayed it to Paul. I
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mentioned that Smith had stated that the subject of UFO's had been rated
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higher than the H bomb, and in perspective, was this still the case? Pauls
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reply follows, and for the purposes of this file, I have condensed into one
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session our talks.
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In the 40's, when the "flying saucer" scare started, the military and
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government were concerned that it was possible that the Soviets had made a
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breakthrough in technology with their German scientists, that our German
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scientists had not been able to duplicate. It then became evident that this
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technology was above and beyond what we were able to achieve, so the
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phenomenon had to come from outside. For a while there was a deadlock as to
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what to do, but then apparently the military was able to secure one of the
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craft. I asked Paul if he meant Roswell, and he only smiled. He said to read
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the MJ 12 stuff again, that there were enough facts to get an idea of what he
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was talking about. After that, it was apparent that the technology was well
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above what we were capable of. There were fears among certain people that
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this could be the prelude to invasion, or possibly even worse. Others saw
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this as a straight shot to technology that we couldn't even dream of, and to
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exploit everything we could out of it. Paul stated that there was a genuine
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fear that if the Soviets could get one of these, and exploit it, the United
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States would be in deep excrement. There was a "think tank" that was set up,
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and the decision for secrecy was understandable in that scenario. Many of
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these craft were flying over nuclear installations, and one thought at the
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time was that they could be after uranium among other things, if they were, as
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believed then, coming from a "dying" planet. I asked if at that time, were
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they considered to be benign, and Paul said yes, they were, but then several
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things happened to change that idea. He would not elaborate, so I mentioned
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the Mantell incident, and he said that is the most well known case, but there
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were others, and some very bizarre.
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The think tank that was set up in the 40's were concerned that some of these
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cases would become public knowledge, and they still remembered the "War of the
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Worlds" scare that Wells threw into the public in 1938. They did not want a
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panic that could affect the nations security, commerce, industry, finances
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and so forth. The result was to debunk the whole damn thing, and hope it
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would either go away, or they could solve it in time before it did become
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public knowledge.
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I asked Paul about several cases that I read about in "Clear Intent", one of
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them being the Cuban Jet Incident. Paul said that he had heard about that, he
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wouldn't say much, but this is not the only case where one of these objects
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had shot down aircraft, "and it didn't all happen outside the U. S. either".
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"Look", he said, "if you were out in a very primitive area, and were lost, or
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hungry, or what ever, and came across a primitive native tribe, and I mean
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compared to you, really primitive, would you trade with them, or take what
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you needed, food, women, whatever, IF YOU WERE VERY AMORAL?" "Look, if in
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this case, you regard these natives as less than dirt, and the only thing they
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have in common is that they have what you NEED." You are familiar with the
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animal mutilations aren't you? Many people think that this was a government
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sponsored operation, testing chemicals or something. Well, it wasn't, and
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farm animals are not the only thing that has been tested. The guys I know
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that are still active have said that right now, is one of the biggest "UFO
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flaps" that they have ever heard of, and there is a lot of concern as to how
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long it can be kept secret.
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I hated to break in on Paul when he was talking this freely, but had to ask
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about the reported astronaut sightings. Yes, there were sightings on damn
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near all the "shots", and it was always feared that the news services would
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pick up on some of the reports. We did a damn good job of damage control
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though. "Well Paul, what about reports that these things have been seen on
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the moon?" I asked. "Yes" he said, "they have been seen there, and some of
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this has come out, so I don't think I am breaking any oaths, but , haven't you
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asked yourself why after all the billions of dollars that we had spent to get
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to the moon, after the early 70's No one, us or the Russians, have gone near
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the place." Yes, I admitted, I had wondered why, and then asked him if he
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knew why. Paul just smiled and then pointed to the file that contained the
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Lear Text. "You know", he said, "this guy has hit pretty close on several
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points, and I wonder if anyone has approached him?" I asked what he meant,
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and he looked at me and said "Don, you know what I mean, and after all, if a
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lot of the general public became aware of this, they would scream like a
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mashed cat, and demand to know what the hell the government is doing about it.
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The problem is, there are some that still think that they can control events
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and keep a lid on this, and others that know we are way in over our head and
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are looking for a way out." Alright then, what are these things, where do
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they come from, and what DO they want? I must have looked pretty exasperated
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then, and Paul looked at me and gave me kind of what I thought was a sad
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smile. "Don" he said, "I don't know where they come from, as to what they
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are, they are very different, and as to what they want, you are gonna sleep a
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lot better if I just go." And he did leave then.
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I haven't talked to Paul since I got back home, and just several days ago, I
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got word that he had a heart attack and is in very poor condition. I have
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wondered about a lot of what he said, and have decided that in lieu of keeping
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the whole thing to myself, I would put it on my word processor, and then make
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a decision whether to release it or not.
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Paul had stated on several occasions that this subject had the potential to be
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be very dangerous, and to be careful of pursuing it. "With access to the
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right information, if it became known, people have disappeared." I don't
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think he was just trying to scare me, the guy had been a professional
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intelligence agent for longer than I have been alive, and I am sure he knew a
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hell of a lot more about this, than I would even want to. He had mentioned
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several things, that even now I hesitate to put down, but the thing that
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inclines me to accept what he said, was knowing a bit of what kind of man he
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was, he seemed haunted and scared.
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Well, in light of several things that have occured recently, with the "New and
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Improved" BlueBook, which I might add I distrust wholeheartedly, the meltdown
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within MUFON, the continuing "flap" that doesn't show any signs of slowing
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down, much less stopping, and the fragmented community of UFO investigators, I
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discussed this with my better half, and have decided to throw it out, and see
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where it landed. Take it for what it is worth, and remember, I have just
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relayed what I was told, and I did warn you up front that this was almost
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beyond belief.
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Anyone with any additional information is requested to contact me in care of
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Paranet RHO at 1-<data type="phoneNumber">208-338-9187</data>.
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Don F. Ecker-State
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Section Director
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MUFON, for the state of Idaho.
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</conspiracyFile> |