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T H E M O N E Y C H A N G E R
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Vol.1, No.6, December, 1987
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Information deadline December 1, 1987
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F.Sanders,S.P.,MONEYCHANGER*5705 Stage Rd., Suite 164*Memphis,TN.38134
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THE FOURTH WORLD WILDERNESS CONFERENCE:
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Beware the bankers bearing gifts
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An interview with Mr. George Hunt
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Mr. George Hunt has been an accountant for small businesses, corpo-
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rations, and partnerships for the past 18 years, specializing
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in physicians and dentists. He works also with general businesses,
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doing consulting, accounting, and tax work as well as
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investment counselling. He kindly made time for this interview
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on November 18, 1987.
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MONEYCHANGER - What was the Fourth World Wilderness Congress
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that took place September 11th through September 18th?
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HUNT - It was billed as a world-wide meeting to address global
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environmental concerns. As far as the public was concerned, it was
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produced by a chap named Ian Player, a wealthy, wealthy in-
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dustrialist of (I believe) English descent. I'm sure he'd be in
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Who's Who and so on. As I found out it was not really produced
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by him, but by the moneychangers in London and Europe.
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MONEYCHANGER - That is a far-reaching charge. What basis do you
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have for that?
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HUNT - Well, the London banker Baron Edmund de Rothschild
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was at the meeting for 6 days. Edmund de Rothschild was personally
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conducting the monetary matters and creation of this World
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Conservation Bank (WCB), in the company of I. Michael Sweatman
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of the Royal Bank of Canada. Those 2 were like Siamese twins,
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and that's why I say that it appears they were running at least
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the money side of this conference, and I would say the conference
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was primarily to get money. Also, David Rockefeller <of Chase
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Manhattan Bank> was there, and gave a speech on Sunday.
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MONEYCHANGER - How many people were there?
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HUNT - There were 1500 from 60 countries sign up at the first
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meetings in Denver. That was first 3 days before it went up
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into the mountains, where the shirtsleeve work was done.
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MONEYCHANGER - Into the mountains where?
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HUNT - We went up to Estes Park, Colorado from Monday through
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Friday, after the meetings the preceding Friday through Sunday
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afternoon at Currigan Hall in Denver. Rockefeller spoke that
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Sunday and there were keynote addresses about how great
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this whole idea was. Then we adjourned to the YMCA camp facility
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in Estes Park for another 5 days of meetings.
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MONEYCHANGER - What whole idea?
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HUNT - Oh, conservation, ecology, the world has a chance, we're
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going to beat the ozone deterioration, we're going to get
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the rain forests back together again. The thing that really
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set me off was <Secretary of the Treasury James> Baker's talk.
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MONEYCHANGER - Was he there?
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HUNT - Oh yeah, he was there. He gave the keynote address.
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He said that conservation requires "growth and development".
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There was a HUM around the audience, because they knew that "growth
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and development" are antagonistic to conservation.
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MONEYCHANGER - Wait now. There are some code words passing here,
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aren't there? When Baker says something like that, he's talking
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in code about something else.
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HUNT - Exactly. He's talking in code about the *formula*,
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the "equation" of conservation and growth and development,
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that is, assets equals liabilities plus net worth. There were
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a lot of these *double intendres*.
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MONEYCHANGER - How did you get in to these meetings?
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HUNT - I was watching public television one night before the
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congress. A week earlier my 21 year old son had said to me, Dad,
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you know I'd like to go up to the Arctic and repair the rangers'
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huts up there. They need repair and I could do it, and I'd
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like to be up there alone. So I filed that away. Then as I was
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watching public television they announced that the Fourth World
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Wilderness Congress as coming to Denver Sept. 11th. They
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showed pictures of reindeer and all that kind of stuff. I said,
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Gee, that would be great, I bet I could rub elbows with the Smokies
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(the U.S. Forest Service) there, which I did by the way. There
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were 90 smokies there.
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So I got on the phone, and because I'm a businessman and have
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a sales background, too, I was able to wangle myself in, free
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of charge. There was a F$650 charge for attending.
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MONEYCHANGER - Wait a minute. You're telling me that all these
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GREENIES who live out in the woods on berries and nuts came
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up with F$650 plus travel to Denver?
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HUNT - A good question. I think a lot of those Greenies were
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sponsored to be there. It was a contrived conference. So I called
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around and it turned out that the FINDHORN GROUP in Loveland,
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CO, were the official hosts. They call themselves "The Emissaries."
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MONEYCHANGER - Aren't they an occultist New Age group?
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HUNT - Heavy New Age, but they were in charge of the host functions
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at the Congress, and I finally wound up being interviewed
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by them. I told them I was a Christian, I was transparent with
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everybody. Turns out that a Christian within their group -- you
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know, New Age includes Christians, too, they're just off on
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a little tangent maybe <THE MONEYCHANGER vehemently disagrees
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with this statement. -Ed> -- interviewed me and I was passed
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with flying colors as a good guy to meet and greet these attendees.
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My job was to act as a host to the dignitaries, coming in from
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various parts of the world. I loved my work, because I love people,
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and I did a good job for these folks.
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When my work was through, I sat in on all of the meetings that
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were of a business nature. Baker got up and spouted his "conserva-
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tion requires growth and development" line, and a lot of other
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things. I've got a copy of his speech, and it sounded good if you
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just listened to the words, but it was cloaked with a lot of
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innuendos. I said to myself, this is a SCAM. Here's the 1st
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speaker, and immediately I was alerted, because I know the history
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of these people.
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MONEYCHANGER - "These people" means bankers and money people,
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or New Agers, or who?
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HUNT - Bankers and money people. I've delved into conspiracy.
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I don't know where you're coming from on this, but I checked
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it out and researched it for 5 years and I am *convinced* there
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is a conspiracy.
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MONEYCHANGER - Well, at the very least some kind of Insider network
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that arranges things to their own benefit.
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HUNT - James Baker is the Edward Mandell House <Col. House was the
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alter ego of Woodrow Wilson and a virulent elitist -- Ed.> of
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the U.S. Treasury Department. So I wrote an open letter
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of rebuttal to distribute at the meeting the next day. I printed
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700 letters. Thank God I didn't distribute them. The thing
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that caused me not to distribute it, besides fear, was compassion.
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When I saw Rothschild and Rockefeller sitting up in front before
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Rockefeller's talk, I thought, Would you want someone to do
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that to you, George, distribute a rebuttal that makes you
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look silly, when you're a national figure?
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As it turns out my distributing that wouldn't have any
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impact *at all* on that audience because they were either ig-
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norant or bought. But I went back to the pressroom after Rockefel-
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ler's speech, and presented it to him -- to his bodyguard really,
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his bodyguard up between me and David. He did read it, because
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the next da I received a warning from Rockefeller's office
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that I'd better stop politicking or I'd regret it. Which
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was good for me, since it made me shut my mouth and open my
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ears. I was warned by the Findhorn Group, and I complied. It
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was good that I was obedient to my superiors, because
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I was allowed to stay at the congress and hear a lot of interest-
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ing things.
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After the talks for the public and the newspapers were finished
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on Sunda afternoon, we went up to the shirtsleeves sessions in
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Estes Park. I had lunch with Michael Sweatman and Mr. and Mrs.
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Rothschild, and I was able to ask them how this bank was going
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to continue to operate***
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MONEYCHANGER - By "this bank" you mean the WCB?
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HUNT - Yes. I didn't see any earnings engine inside it. Where
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are the earnings coming from, if all you have in it are these
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wilderness lands, reindeer hides, and so on? I didn't say exactly
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that, but***
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MONEYCHANGER - Reindeer hides don't pay much of a dividend.
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HUNT - No. They're planning on re-financing, debt swapping <for
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assets> one trillion dollars of Third World debt into this
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new World Conservation Bank. I told a high official of the
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Brazilian finance ministry, Dr. Jose Pedro de Oliveira-Costa,
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I don't see how this bank is going to survive. Is this really
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going to benefit Brazil?
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He sad, last night I could not sleep all night long. There is no
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benefit that anybody's going to get from this bank. If they
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give us a refinance, in the short run, yes, we will benefit.
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We will get soft currency from them, we'll be able to get our
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economy going again, but in the long term, he said, we won't
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be able to pay those loans back. We've devalued as far as we
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possibly can in our country, we're at the brink of poverty.
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MONEYCHANGER - Well, how did Sweatman answer the question of
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where the earnings would come from?
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HUNT - He said, "We're working on that."
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MONEYCHANGER - <Laughter>. "We're working on that"??
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HUNT - "We're working on that." He's an evasive guy. In fact,
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he's already lied to <US> Senator Tim Wirth <of Colorado>.
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MONEYCHANGER - How will this World Conservation Bank scheme
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work exactly?
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HUNT - The WCB will be enacted by the United Nations, and will
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need to be approved, I wuld think, by every country participating.
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Let's assume that our senators and representatives allow
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this thing to happen. Then the Bank will be endowed with 30%
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of the earth's land surface.
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MONEYCHANGER - Now WHO is going to do that? Governments around
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the world will give title to their wilderness lands to th WCB?
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HUNT - Will give title to the lands to the World Wilderness
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Land Inventory Trust. It will be en-trusted. Sounds good, huh?
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We know about trusts.
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Then this Trust will go floating into the WCB by the unanimous
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decree of the world's people, saying, God Bless you for
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saving our reindeer. That kind of a mentality is where they're
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coming from. Those people at the congress were ignorant. They
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don't suspect anything. They're VERY naive. Not stupid, ignorant.
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MONEYCHANGER - Which people do you mean?
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HUNT - I'm talking about the conservationists. Conservationists
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and ecologists comprised about 60% of the people there. About
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30% were government, United Nations and other bureaucrats. The other
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10% were world banking heavyweights who were there with axes
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to grind and pencils to sharpen.
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So the bank is endowed with an asset, an asset worth how many
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trillions? I don't know. Their accountants are going to evaluate
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this 50 million sqaure kilometer <twelve and a half *billion*
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acres, 5 million hectares> hunk of wilderness lands. then the
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WCB will have the power to act as a world central bank. It can
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create soft currencies, not hard currencies, at this point. Soft
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currencies are used, as you probably know, for some purpose WITHIN
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a country. But what I picked up on is that the soft currencies
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can be spent outside of a country for environmental and ecological
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equipment. Well, hello, International Harvester, Mack Truck,
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etc., they're going to bring those soft currencies into the
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US and we're going to have inflation.
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MONEYCHANGER - That will be an international currency, in other
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words. You're calling it a soft currency, but in effect it'll
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be an international currency.
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HUNT - It's not an international currency in the sense
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of a one world currency because it's not a hard currency,
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it's not legal tender for all international transactions, yet.
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Now you know and I know that by currency and debt-for-equity
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swaps they're going to wheel and deal it from soft into hard
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somehow. These guys are smart.
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MONEYCHANGER - Let me see if I understand. A World Conservation
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Bank will be set up and into a trust will be vested title
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to 30% of the world's land surface, 12 1/2 *billion* acres. Against
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this the WCB will issue loans to various countries to buy,
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what did you say, environmental***
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HUNT - No, no, no, they could issue loans, but I'm talking
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specifically about currencies. They can create currencies
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for in-country use.
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MONEYCHANGER - Well, that's issuing loans. It's the same thing.
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They will loan money for certain spceified purposes to these
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countries. Now am I to assume that say, for example, Brazil,
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puts up the Amazon Basin, and they get credited a certain amount?
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Then there's a certain amount of loans they can draw down
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against that "deposit", so to speak?
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HUNT - How it will work I'm not sure. They didn't get into technique,
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they went into policies and enactments and resolutions. BUT,
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there could be a gradual loan swap for Brazil, taking them out
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of their old loans and putting them into a new WCB loan,
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which will then sweeten the loan on the Chase Manhattan's balance
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sheet, and will take it out of non-accrual and put it back into
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the healthy loan column once again.
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MONEYCHANGER - or else pay it off.
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HUNT - Or they could pay it off, right. They could call it any
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shot that they wanted to. They could pay them off lickety-split.
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MONEYCHANGER - But what's really happened is that the Brazilians
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will have given up title to millions of acres of land and in
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exchange the Chase Manhattan will get its loan to Brazil
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paid off by the WCB.
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HUNT - You got it.
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MONEYCHANGE - I got it.
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<Here's how the 'Fact Sheet: World Conservation Bank' published
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by the Secretariat of the Fourth World Wilerness Congress states
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the scheme:
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"The World Conservation Bank would finance, direclty and through
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syndicated and co-fincancing arrangements:
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"1) the preparation, development, and implementation of national
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conservation strategies by developing country governments:
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"2) the acquisition/lease of environmentally important land
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for preservation of biological diversity and watersheds:
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"3) the management and conservations of selected areas.
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"And plans for the WCB propose that it act as intermediary
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between certain developing countries and multilateral or private
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banks to transfer a specific debt to the WCB, thus substitu-
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ting an existing 'doubtful' debt in the bank's books for a new
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loan to the WCB. In return for having been relieved of its debt
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obligation, the debtor country would transfer to the WCB
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natural resource assets of 'equivalent value'. Or, developing
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country debts under foreign assistance programs, which have little
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hope of repayment, could be retained in-country and applied toward
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conservation, reforestation, or rural agricultural
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programs through the WCB.">
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HUNT - I believe that World Bank loans, as they stand now, are
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not collateralized. Now they're entering into a new era of loan
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collateralization. They're saying, Okay, the next step is that
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we ant collateral, so that when we loan-swap this debt, and we're
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going to own the Amazon if you default. Remember, as the Brazilian
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Oliveira-Costa sad, they're not going to be able to pay that off.
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That's why he couldn't sleep that night, because he *knew*
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that they were going to loose the Amazon <or whatever they put
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up as collateral>.
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MONEYCHANGER - These are debt for equity swaps, which they've
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been talking about for several years. They're going to make
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their bad loans good by collateralizing them after the fact
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with all of this land, and somebody, somebody, SOMEBODY is going
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to end up with title to *twelve and a half billion acres*.
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Is that right?
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HUNT - That's right. The collateral behind whatever loans are
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in the WCB at the time, if the WCB goes belly up. There's a whole
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see-saw of things that are going to happen. They have multi-,
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multi-trillions of dollars upon which they can create currencies
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and loans, and they're going to begin to barter and counter-
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trade and loan-swap against the United States.
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MONEYCHANGER - Have you ever heard the name John Law?
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HUNT - No.
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MONEYCHANGER - Are you familiar with the French hyperinflation
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during the French Revolution, 1792 - 1798?
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HUNT - Oh, yeah, when they issued assignats!
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MONEYCHANGER - Do you know what the assignats were? The assignats
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were the ASSIGNMENTS of a mortgage on what were called the "na-
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tional domains", and those were confiscated (mostly church) lands
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and properties. In other words, it was a scheme to *monetize*
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land. Now, what you have just described to me as the World
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Conservation Bank is a scheme to monetize land.
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HUNT - Very good, sir. You are right. Now I reeber John Law.
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Didn't he convince the French in the 1720s to monetize land
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in the Mississippi Bubble?
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MONEYCHANGER - No, but he had come up with a land monetization
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scheme and presented it to the Scottish parliament in about 1694,
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and he was literally laughed out of the country for it.
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But this is the same crooked scheme, and moreover it will
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function was a world central bank, and out of that world
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central bank there will grow a one-world flat currency system
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at the same time. This scheme is like a box of Cracker Jacks:
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it's just loaded with prizes and nuts.
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How will this project be put into effect? Will it be installed
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under the auspices of the United Nations?
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HUNT - I think so. There was a United Nations World Commission
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on Environment and Development created in 1982 that published
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what's called the Brundtland Report, actually entitled
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OUR COMMON FUTURE <Readers can order a copy of OUR COMMON FUTURE:
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A READER'S GUIDE, which is a short abstract of the Brundtland
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Report, for F$4.00 postpaid from Earthscan, 1717 Massachusetts
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Ave. NW, Suite 302, Washington, DC 20036.>
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Gro Harlem Brundtland is the <Social Democrat> prime minister
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of Norway. She is the mother of four, 49 years old, and she
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was at the conference. The UN said, Brundtland, Go for it! Find out
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the conditions in our world. She came back with her study
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and said, The conditions are *terrible*. The UN then said,
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What do you recommend? And she said, I recommend a conservation
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bank, dot dot dot***
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Her report set the stage for unlimited enactments to take over
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ecology, environmental and pollution laws throughout the world.
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This includes international dictation to the US about its "smoke-
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stack" industries.
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So not only do we have a Bank forming as a result of the Brundtland
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Report, but we also have a proposal for very harsh, quasi-spiritual
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ecological laws for "Mother Earth". You're going to have a "Mother
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Earth Comes First" mentality arising throughout the world
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as a result of this legislation.
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MONEYCHANGER - One is tempted to say a *Mother Earth cult*.
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HUNT - It is already turning into a Mother Earth cult.
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The Brundtland Report is the precipitating event for putting
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the entire scheme into effect. Brundtland was there at the
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conference on Thursday, and I saw her receive the enactments
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and resolutions that they had created. I do not have a copy
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of them. They went underground. Senator Wirth's office
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has been looking for them. He's the only senator that has yet had
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any kind of an interest in this. I kind of wonder if he's just
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prying for the benefit of those others, because Timmy's been
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a representative or senator since 1972, so you know he's been
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pretty well processed by the one-world people. Yesterday Tim
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Mahoney from Tim Wirth's office called me and said, I talked
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to Michael Sweatman and Michael Sweatman sad they weren't
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really there at that conference to create a World Conservation
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Bank.
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I said, "What??" Mahoney said, They were just there to see what
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could possibly be done in that area. I said, Hey, take a look
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at that copy of Baker's speech that I sent you. He told us on
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the first day in his keynote address that the purpose of this
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congress is to create a World Conservation Bank. You know, con-
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gressmen and senators are looking for an excuse NOT to pry.
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This is a hot item, they don't want to touch it.
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MONEYCHANGER - How fast are they moving? When will they try to
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put this WCB into action?
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HUNT - As soon as they can, because as Rockefeller said in his
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speech, "the good news is that collapse f the monetary system
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that was predicted by some regarding each of the major borrowing
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countries has been resolved 'temporarily' by extending the debt."
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"Temporarily" -- that means he wants some *permanent* solutions.
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"They bad news is that lower petroleum prices in 1986 <have>
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caused countries to renegotiate the schedule for debt repay-
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ment again. The borrowing countries are in better shape because
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interest cost of servicing the nearly F$400 billion in Latin
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American debt is still enormous. One-third of Latin America's
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Export earnings are devoted to paying interest on this debt,
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according to the Institute for International Economics in Washington.
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Two-thirds of the nearly F$400 billion in debt is owed to a number
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of commercial banks, including Chase Manhattan. Most are paying
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only interest payments, not principal, and while economic conditions
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have improved the countries still face political and structural
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problems that could hamper repayment."
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As you will recall I talked to Oliveira-Costa, a Brazilian finance
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ministry official, and he said, There is no way that we could
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pay off that debt. So the bottom line says, We're going to have
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a financial collapse in our country if they DON'T get the WCB.
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MONEYCHANGER - Then there's not much time. But you don't have
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any idea what the actual time framework is.
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HUNT - I tried to extract that. I had dinner with James MacNeill,
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the Secretary General, UN Commission on Environment and Development
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in Geneva. That's the commission that Gro Harlem Brundtland
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headed up which will present its report to the UN in which
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all of these resolutions will be contained. Nobody's been able
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to find out where it is. I think they're going to pull a little
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Federal Reserve trick on us, you know, present it sometime
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like midnight on December 25th, when nobody's watching.
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At the congress I said to Michael Sweatman, There is no earnings
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engine in the balance sheet of this bank that I can see, and you're
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taking in wilderness properties and trillions of dollars
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in bad debts. Where are the earnings going to come from to keep
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this bank afloat? He answered, We're working on that; you'll
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have a chance to express your concerns and your questions in a
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half and hour at our caucus.
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I said Sure, you're going to call on me. This thing seems to be
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contrived from the beginning to the end, frankly. He said,
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No, I'll call on you. I sad, "You promise?" He said, "I promise."
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He did not call on me. There was NO pro and con offered at
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the caucus, it was just Baron de Rothschild spouting non-entities.
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He said, Innovation is the key to the pollution problem. We need
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growth and development. For instance, we have a CO2 problem.
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I propose that we create large dry ice machines that will absorb
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the CO2 from the atmosphere, and then take the dry ice
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that we create and take it up to the polar ice cap to keep it from
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melting.
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MONEYCHANGER - Oh, come off it.
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HUNT - I am NOT kidding. I said to myself, That guy has either
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lost his mind, or***
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MONEYCHANGER - (uncontrollable laughter and howling)
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HUNT - ***or he is just *laughing* at us. Isn't that something?
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And by the way, I've got the whole conference on tape.
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At the end of the caucus, Baron Rothschild, "You have decided.
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This will be a second World Marshall Plan." And I said to myself,
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"Did we say *that*? Nobody said anything here." When I got home
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I realized the significance of what he had said. That will be a
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resolution, because he wrote it on a resolution sheet, I saw
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him do it. That means that the governments are going to guarantee
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the debt of thw WCB. Now Russia was a lot of the wilderness
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lands, and I see that Russia is going to get a lot of the
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loans. When they default, and the US is going to be the turkey
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again.
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MONEYCHANGER - But still, in the end, SOMEBODY is going to end
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up with title to those lands, and I suggest that these somebodies
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are these same moneyed interests that were so much in evidence
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at this Fourth World Wilderness Conference.
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HUNT - Exactly, and they're going to be in back of the bank loaning
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currency and cash flow to the WCB to keep it alive, to give it
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the *appearance* of profitability. The bank will be running
|
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on an accrual basis. On paper it will be recognizing profits
|
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received on interests, but the interests will NOT be coming in
|
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because these countries cannot pay. So my hypothesis is that
|
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the kings, capitalists, and moneychangers of the world will be
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in the back of this bank in the position of *creditors*.
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For part 2 of this file, see OWGART1.003
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--- Mike Carrillo
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