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<h2>zionism</h2>
<p>From: wmcguire@world.std.com (Wayne McGuire)
To: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: The End of Zionism (Yet Another Failed Messianic Movement)
Subject: The End of <span class="NORP" title="NORP">Zionism</span> (Yet Another Failed Messianic Movement)
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1993 21:17:49 GMT
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@ -49,14 +48,14 @@ Mideast and Israel for a few years now. Previous discussions here
in TPM, particularly interactions with ardent pro-Israel
partisans, helped clarify my thoughts.</p>
<p>For a number of years now I've been noticing with increasing
attention the remarkable resemblances between Zionism and earlier
episodes of messianic (and always disastrous) outbursts in Jewish
history, but wasn't quite prepared to make the leap that Zionism
attention the remarkable resemblances between <span class="NORP" title="NORP">Zionism</span> and earlier
episodes of messianic (and always disastrous) outbursts in <span class="NORP" title="NORP">Jewish</span>
history, but wasn't quite prepared to make the leap that <span class="NORP" title="NORP">Zionism</span>
as a whole fit the model. I thought that the dangerous messianic
elements were mostly on the religious right, and could be safely
isolated. But the more I read, the more I realized that
messianism permeated the Israeli left as much as the Israeli
right, and that the entire Zionist enterprise is fundamentally
right, and that the entire <span class="NORP" title="NORP">Zionist</span> enterprise is fundamentally
messianic in its outlook and foundations.</p>
<p>The collapse of Communism (the 20th century's premier secular
messianic movement), the failure of the Israeli kibbutz
@ -65,34 +64,34 @@ the rise of Kahanism, and an unceasing succession of blunders by
the Israeli government starting in the 1973 war and continuing
most recently in the Demjanjuk fiasco have all combined to lead
me to the conclusion that something is so seriously awry with the
Zionist experiment that it does in fact exhibit all the traits of
previous failed messianic movements in Jewish history.</p>
<span class="NORP" title="NORP">Zionist</span> experiment that it does in fact exhibit all the traits of
previous failed messianic movements in <span class="NORP" title="NORP">Jewish</span> history.</p>
<p>What really confirmed me in this conviction was reading five
books one after the other, and digesting all the information
interactively and seeing all the implications:</p>
<p>Golan, Matti. With Friends Like You: What Israelis Really Think
About American Jews. New York: The Free Press, 1992. Translated
About American <span class="NORP" title="NORP">Jews</span>. <span class="GPE" title="GPE">New York</span>: The Free Press, 1992. Translated
from the Hebrew by Hillel Halkin.</p>
<p>Leibowitz, Yeshayahu. Judaism, Human Values, and the Jewish
<p>Leibowitz, Yeshayahu. <span class="NORP" title="NORP">Judaism</span>, Human Values, and the <span class="NORP" title="NORP">Jewish</span>
State. Cambridge, MA: Harvard University Press, 1992.</p>
<p>Roth, Philip. Operation Shylock: A Confession. New York: Simon &amp;
<p>Roth, Philip. Operation Shylock: A Confession. <span class="GPE" title="GPE">New York</span>: Simon &amp;
Schuster, 1993.</p>
<p>Segev, Tom. The Seventh Million: The Israelis and The Holocaust.
New York: Hill and Wang, 1993.</p>
<p>Sicker, Martin. Judaism, Nationalism, and the Land of Israel.
<p>Sicker, Martin. <span class="NORP" title="NORP">Judaism</span>, Nationalism, and the Land of Israel.
Boulder, CO. Westview Press, 1992.</p>
<p>Earlier here I tried to stimulate, without success, some serious
discussion about four of the books. If you want to get an idea of
how I reached my conclusions, try reading them and do some
creative thinking about what you've read. Attached below the post
is a longer list of books which collectively provide an
articulate explanation of why Zionism's future is bleak indeed.</p>
articulate explanation of why <span class="NORP" title="NORP">Zionism</span>'s future is bleak indeed.</p>
<p>If you want the really short course, just read the Martin Sicker
book. Surveying thousands of years of failed messianism in a few
hundred pages is a real education, and puts mere decades of
Zionism into perspective.</p>
<span class="NORP" title="NORP">Zionism</span> into perspective.</p>
<p>I can imagine the howls of outrage or mirth the assertion that
Zionism is defunct will arouse, but that is entirely predictable
<span class="NORP" title="NORP">Zionism</span> is defunct will arouse, but that is entirely predictable
and not interesting. I am not particularly motivated to debate
the subject one way or the other, although I will read with
curiosity valuable insights, as opposed to polemics, anyone might
@ -110,42 +109,42 @@ figured out, it no longer excites one's attention.</p>
conflict since we last chatted. Back then I was advocating
positions, with my usual visionary foresight, that have been
adopted by the current Israeli government. I was slightly ahead
of my time. Now I believe--make that KNOW--that Zionism may well
prove to be the greatest calamity for Jews in world history to
of my time. Now I believe--make that KNOW--that <span class="NORP" title="NORP">Zionism</span> may well
prove to be the greatest calamity for <span class="NORP" title="NORP">Jews</span> in world history to
date, and will most certainly fail as a movement and a physical
state. Israel may not even last out the decade. Jews will come to
state. Israel may not even last out the decade. <span class="NORP" title="NORP">Jews</span> will come to
regret the day that Israel was ever founded. It doesn't matter
what policies Israel adopts--left, right, center, whatever. Jews
what policies Israel adopts--left, right, center, whatever. <span class="NORP" title="NORP">Jews</span>
will be weeping and gnashing their teeth over the fact that they
foolishly saddled themselves with the need to support and defend
a physical Jewish state in the middle of a region which hates
that state. All the old anti-Zionist arguments that Jews
a physical <span class="NORP" title="NORP">Jewish</span> state in the middle of a region which hates
that state. All the old anti-<span class="NORP" title="NORP">Zionist</span> arguments that <span class="NORP" title="NORP">Jews</span>
themselves hashed over before the founding of Israel are going to
come to the surface again, and the original Jewish anti-Zionists
come to the surface again, and the original <span class="NORP" title="NORP">Jewish</span> anti-<span class="NORP" title="NORP">Zionist</span>s
are going to look like prophets. Theodore Herzl will come to be
seen as notorious a failed prophet as Karl Marx.</p>
<p>The reason? Zionism is a false messianic movement, a well-known
phenomenon in Jewish history. It is built on air, fantasies, and
<p>The reason? <span class="NORP" title="NORP">Zionism</span> is a false messianic movement, a well-known
phenomenon in <span class="NORP" title="NORP">Jewish</span> history. It is built on air, fantasies, and
intoxication, not solid ground. These messianic splurges always
end up in catastrophes for Jews, and Zionism looks like it will
end up in catastrophes for <span class="NORP" title="NORP">Jews</span>, and <span class="NORP" title="NORP">Zionism</span> looks like it will
be the granddaddy of all these fiascos, for hundreds of reasons
which I could document for you at length. But you know the main
reason yourself if you examine your heart: ask yourself why you
don't live in Israel. Then you'll know why so many Jews want to
don't live in Israel. Then you'll know why so many <span class="NORP" title="NORP">Jews</span> want to
leave Israel.</p>
<p>Trust me, Marty, it is over. Sometime during the last year or
two, deep in the secret soul of Jews, of history, of the world,
Zionism died, expired. Zionists will continue to go through the
two, deep in the secret soul of <span class="NORP" title="NORP">Jews</span>, of history, of the world,
<span class="NORP" title="NORP">Zionism</span> died, expired. <span class="NORP" title="NORP">Zionist</span>s will continue to go through the
motions, engage in angry and self-destructive arguments with
fellow Americans and others who criticize Israel: you know the
whole drill. But at the core, the ball game is over. The more
that Jews get locked into the position of defending a state they
that <span class="NORP" title="NORP">Jews</span> get locked into the position of defending a state they
don't want to live in, and don't even believe in, the more pain
and difficulty they are going to cause themselves.</p>
<p>The best advice anyone could give to Jews who really cares about
<p>The best advice anyone could give to <span class="NORP" title="NORP">Jews</span> who really cares about
them--not all of them, to be sure, but some of them--is to begin
to make preparations now for dissolving the state of Israel that
are maximally advantageous for Israelis and Jews in general. Once
are maximally advantageous for Israelis and <span class="NORP" title="NORP">Jews</span> in general. Once
that is accomplished, then sit down and figure out why you keep
getting suckered in by self-destructive messianic movements, and
then fix the problem through some form of cultural self-analysis
@ -179,7 +178,7 @@ cave in: that is one of the key traits of messianism: it destroys
your ability to read objective reality clearly. The mind of the
messianist--whether that of one of the leaders of the revolt
against Rome, or one of Sabbatai Sevi's followers, or one of Karl
Marx's disciples, or Menachem Schneerson's, or David Koresh's, is
Marx's disciples, or Menachem Schneerson's, or David <span class="PERSON" title="PERSON">Koresh</span>'s, is
clouded by a kind of drug which is able to ignore or distort
every fact relevant to his or her true situation. All messianists
are essentially mad, at least for the duration of their fever.
@ -195,9 +194,9 @@ uniting Israelis against a common external enemy, have served as
a distraction to keep Israelis from dealing with their underlying
internal problems, all of which revolve around the
self-destructive tendencies inherent in all forms of messianism.</p>
<p>At some point the leaders of world Jewry are going to sit down
<p>At some point the leaders of world <span class="NORP" title="NORP">Jewry</span> are going to sit down
and ask--if they haven't already--on the whole is the state of
Israel a net positive or a net negative for the world's Jews? Is
Israel a net positive or a net negative for the world's <span class="NORP" title="NORP">Jews</span>? Is
it improving our health, wealth, reputation, peace of mind,
physical security, and good relations with our neighbors, or is
it damaging them? If Israel has become a significant net
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situation, is there any point in continuing to maintain it, or
like a business gone permanently bad, should we just put it to
rest and get on to more fruitful matters?</p>
<p>Zionism, just like Communism, and for much the same reasons, is
<p>
<span class="NORP" title="NORP">Zionism</span>, just like Communism, and for much the same reasons, is
intellectually, morally, spiritually, psychologically,
ideologically, and economically bankrupt.</p>
<p>Zionism, like Communism, attempted to build a society in a
<p>
<span class="NORP" title="NORP">Zionism</span>, like Communism, attempted to build a society in a
top-down fashion by imposing a rigid ideology and theory on an
unmalleable physical situation. Successful nations grow
organically from the bottom up, emerging naturally from and
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<p>Wayne</p>
<p>Reading List
************</p>
<p>Avineri, Shlomo. Moses Hess: Prophet of Communism and Zionism.
New York and London: New York University Press, 1985.</p>
<p>Avineri, Shlomo. Moses Hess: Prophet of Communism and <span class="NORP" title="NORP">Zionism</span>.
New York and London: <span class="GPE" title="GPE">New York</span> University Press, 1985.</p>
<p>Friedman, Robert I. the False Prophet: Rabbi Meir Kahane: From
FBI Informant to Knesset Member. Brooklyn: Lawrence Hill Books,
<span class="ORG" title="ORG">FBI</span> Informant to Knesset Member. Brooklyn: Lawrence Hill Books,
1990.</p>
<p>Golan, Matti. With Friends Like You: What Israelis Really Think
About American Jews. New York: The Free Press, 1992. Translated
About American <span class="NORP" title="NORP">Jews</span>. <span class="GPE" title="GPE">New York</span>: The Free Press, 1992. Translated
from the Hebrew by Hillel Halkin.</p>
<p>Harkabi, Yehoshafat. Israel's Fateful Hour. New York: Harper &amp;
<p>Harkabi, Yehoshafat. Israel's Fateful Hour. <span class="GPE" title="GPE">New York</span>: Harper &amp;
Row, 1988.</p>
<p>Leibowitz, Yeshayahu. Judaism, Human Values, and the Jewish
<p>Leibowitz, Yeshayahu. <span class="NORP" title="NORP">Judaism</span>, Human Values, and the <span class="NORP" title="NORP">Jewish</span>
State. Cambridge, MA: Harvard University Press, 1992.</p>
<p>Leshem, Moshe. Balaam's Curse: How Israel Lost Its Way, and How
It Can Find It Again. New York: Simon and Schuster, 1989.</p>
<p>Lustick, Ian S. for the Land and the Lord: Jewish Fundamentalism
in Israel. New York: Council on Foreign Relations, 1988.</p>
<p>Roth, Philip. Operation Shylock: A Confession. New York: Simon &amp;
It Can Find It Again. <span class="GPE" title="GPE">New York</span>: Simon and Schuster, 1989.</p>
<p>Lustick, Ian S. for the Land and the Lord: <span class="NORP" title="NORP">Jewish</span> Fundamentalism
in Israel. <span class="GPE" title="GPE">New York</span>: Council on Foreign Relations, 1988.</p>
<p>Roth, Philip. Operation Shylock: A Confession. <span class="GPE" title="GPE">New York</span>: Simon &amp;
Schuster, 1993.</p>
<p>Scholem, Gershom. Sabbatai Sevi: The Mystical Messiah. Princeton,
New Jersey: Princeton University Press, 1973. Translated by R. J.
Zwi Werblowsky.</p>
<p>Segev, Tom. The Seventh Million: The Israelis and The Holocaust.
New York: Hill and Wang, 1993.</p>
<p>Sicker, Martin. Judaism, Nationalism, and the Land of Israel.
<p>Sicker, Martin. <span class="NORP" title="NORP">Judaism</span>, Nationalism, and the Land of Israel.
Boulder, CO. Westview Press, 1992.
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