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<h2>jfkmessages</h2>
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<p>Article 15606 of alt.conspiracy:
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Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk,alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,alt.society.civil-liberty,alt.individualism,alt.censorship,talk.politics.misc,misc.headlines,soc.culture.usa
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Path: cbnewsl!jad
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From: jad@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (John DiNardo)
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Subject: Part I, PACIFICA RADIO Investigates the Murder of President Kennedy
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Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
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Distribution: <span class="PERSON">North</span> America
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Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 13:26:52 GMT
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<span class="Message-ID"> 1992Sep4.132652.2192@cbnewsl.cb.att.com</span>
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Followup-To: alt.conspiracy.jfk
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Keywords: researchers' revelations about the assassination of President Kennedy
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Lines: 144</p>
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<p> I made the following transcript from a tape recording
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of a broadcast by Pacifica Radio station
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WBAI-FM (99.5)
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505 Eighth Ave., 19th Fl.
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New York, NY 10018 (212) 279-0707</p>
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<p>* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
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GARY NULL:
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There is criticism on the part of the media to opening up the
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John F. Kennedy assassination to a new investigation. However,
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there are individuals who are willing to challenge this stance.
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They feel that there are more than enough reasons to open up
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the Warren Commission findings and to take another look;
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even to convene another impartial group of researchers and
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investigators who have subpoena power; even a special prosecutor,
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if necessary, to delve into this issue without the FBI and the
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CIA being the ones who are primarily responsible for giving the
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information, as some doubt has been raised concerning their
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objectivity in the original Warren Commission hearings and
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research-gathering. </p>
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<p>Our first guest on today's program is Harold Weisberg, the
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House Subcommitee on Assassinations investigator, the author
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of a book on Lee Harvey Oswald and the post-mortem, the whitewash
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and the frame-up. He has also written a book on the assassination
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of Martin Luther King. Welcome to our program, Mr. Weisberg.
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I would like you to give us your professional assessment of the
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House Select Committee on Assassinations -- since you were a
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primary investigator there -- on their findings, on the Warren
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Commission, and on ....</p>
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<p>HAROLD WEISBERG:
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I had no connection with the House Committee. I was the source
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for most of the stories that appeared that were critical of them.
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It was a synthetic duplication of the Warren Commission. It began
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with the intent (now, I'm not talking about each individual
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member. I'm talking about the staff who did it; especially
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Blakey, the general counsel and chief-of-staff) .... It began
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with the intent of putting down all the critics. Each hearing
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-- each public hearing -- began with what he called "the
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narration", and he picked out the critics whose work he was
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going to address, and then the hearing was dedicated to debunking
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them and proving them wrong. And I'm happy to say that there's
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only one critic he managed to avoid; and that's me. He wasn't
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going to pick a fight with me.</p>
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<p>All of their [the Committee's] work was faulted in varying
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degrees of ways, but they NEVER investigated the crime itself.
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In that, they did exactly what the FBI did, and exactly what
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the Warren Commission did. They did NOT -- any one of them --
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investigate the crime itself.</p>
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<p>Now, I think you should know that, unlike the other books,
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there are no theories in my book. I'm a former investigative
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reporter, a Senate investigator, an intelligence analyst; and
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that's not my bag. And I don't think that that's what the people
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of the country need for the democratic system to work. They're
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factual. Now, I'm going to quote, accurately from memory, a
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record I got through a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit.
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Perhaps it would help your audience to understand more about
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where I'm coming from to say that I filed about a dozen Freedom
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of Information Act lawsuits against the Government. Most of them
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are on the Kennedy assassination. And most of the records I got
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were from the FBI. In all, I have about a third of a million
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pages of records. These are the same ones that Oliver Stone has
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been promoting for himself in his movie by saying that they're
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suppressed. </p>
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<p>Now, from the Department of Justice and from the FBI I got a
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record of a memorandum. Nicholas Katzenabach -- who was then
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the Deputy Attorney-General of the United States and acting
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Attorney-General as of the time in question, because Bobby
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Kennedy was not there because of the crime and the tragedy.
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He [Katzenbach] wrote Lyndon Johnson, through his [Johnson's]
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channel, Bill Moyers, recommending to Lyndon Johnson that they
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had to convince the country that Oswald was alone, that Oswald
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was the assassin, that he had no confederates who were still
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at-large, and that the evidence was such that he would be
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convicted in trial. The typed copy is dated early Monday morning
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the first working day after the assassination, November 25, 1963.
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I also happen to have gotten Katzenbach's handwritten copy, which
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he wrote when he had no typist available on <span class="LOC">Sunday</span>. And from the
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FBI I got a record which said that Katzenbach had discussed it
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with [FBI Director] Hoover on <span class="LOC">Sunday</span>, as soon as Oswald was killed. </p>
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<p>So as soon as the Government knew that there would be no trial of
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Lee Harvey Oswald, they closed the books, the crime was solved, and
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that was it. So you see, when the crime itself was never
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investigated, there are no leads for other people to follow. And I
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address this so that your audience can understand that those
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people, who develop theories and advance them as solutions, do it
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without a factual basis. I don't know of any theory that is
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factually supportable by the known evidence. And now I'm talking
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about the official investigative reports of the FBI and things
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like that which do establish some fact.</p>
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<p>GARY NULL:
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Okay, we thank you very much, Mr. Weisberg, for sharing your
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views and for giving us this insight on this important piece of
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critical information. I appreciate your being on with us today.
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Let's go now to another guest who is standing by, who has a
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different point of view, and who has additional information.
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I would like to invite Jim Marrs [author of CROSSFIRE] onto our
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program again. Welcome to our program, Jim. </p>
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<p>I'd like to pick up where we left off yesterday. For those of you
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who were not here yesterday and who didn't hear the program, we did
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a careful assessment, going step-by-step through the events that
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led up to the actual shooting, showing that the American Public
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has never been made aware of the fact that earlier in the day, in
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Fort Worth, there was also a motorcade for President Kennedy, but
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that motorcade was substantially different. It was VERY very
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heavily guarded, on proper protocol, by the Secret Service. And the
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police were maintained, meaning that sharpshooters were stationed on
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rooftops, no window was allowed to be opened, there was adequate
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protection. But all of that was suspended at Dealey Plaza and for
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the trip through Dallas. WHY? WHO was responsible? Who caused
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the rescinding of these orders? Those are questions that have to
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be thoroughly analyzed.</p>
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<p>I would like just a brief summary of some of the points from
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yesterday -- an overview of some of the discrepancies between
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what we have been led to believe and what actually occurred.
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Then I would like to go into the area that our previous guest,
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Mr. Harold Weisberg has suggested -- that there is NO evidence
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to support any of the assassination theories. I would like you to
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give us YOUR information, your belief, and whatever documentation
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you have that could, in any way, directly or indirectly, tie in
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any of a number of proposed agendas such as the renegade CIA
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agents, the knowledge that FBI director J. Edgar Hoover could
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have known or may have known in advance that the assassination
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was imminent, certain right-wing extremists, certain members of
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the military, and also members of Organized Crime, and some
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anti-Castro <span class="NORP">Cubans</span>.</p>
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<p>Now, all of these have been alleged -- depending upon the theorist
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-- to have participated. But you have some unique insights and
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and I would like you to share with us some of those insights at
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this time.
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(to be continued)
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Transcribed by John DiNardo</p>
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<p>Article 15651 of alt.conspiracy:
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Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk,alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,alt.society.civil-liberty,alt.individualism,alt.censorship,talk.politics.misc,misc.headlines,soc.culture.usa
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Path: cbnewsl!jad
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From: jad@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (John DiNardo)
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Subject: Part II, PACIFICA RADIO Investigates the Murder of President Kennedy
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Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
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Distribution: <span class="PERSON">North</span> America
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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 17:44:11 GMT
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<span class="Message-ID"> 1992Sep8.174411.10959@cbnewsl.cb.att.com</span>
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Followup-To: alt.conspiracy.jfk
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Keywords: researchers' revelations about the murder of President Kennedy
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Lines: 145</p>
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<p> I made the following transcript from a tape recording
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of a broadcast by Pacifica Radio station
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WBAI-FM (99.5)
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505 Eighth Ave., 19th Fl.
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New York, NY 10018 (212) 279-0707</p>
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JIM MARRS [author of CROSSFIRE]:
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Well, first just let me say that the one thing I think that
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everyone including Mr. Weisberg, including Gerald Ford, including
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David Bigeley(?), including everybody who is connected with this
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thing at this point .... I think the one thing that we can all
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agree on is that there is substantial controversy over the death
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of President Kennedy and over the subsequent investigation and
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the medical evidence. Now, in this particular case, that
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confusion, that controversy, that obfuscation, if you will, is
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the basis of what can legitimately be called "the cover-up".
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There should not have been a cover-up. There should not have been
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this confusion. This was a case .... this was the President of
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the United States, for God's sake. There was an autopsy at
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Bethesda Naval Hospital. There was treatment at a reputable
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hospital: Parkland, in Dallas. And there should not be this
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confusion. There should be some very clear-cut answers based on
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scientific, medical, forensic evidence to say: "Here's what
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happened. He was shot three times from the rear." Or: "He was
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shot once from the front and once from the rear." It should be
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very clear, but it's NOT. It is TOTALLY muddled. It is TOTALLY in
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confusion. And THAT is the nature of this cover-up. Not that
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there has never been any information, but that there has been so
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much information, and so much CONTRADICTORY information that it
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has thrown the whole thing into confusion and controvery, so that
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we can't seem to get to the bottom of this. I think that is very
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self-evident. </p>
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<p>Now, who has the power to do that? And who CAN do that? And who
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could have saved us from all of this? The Federal Government!
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The Government who supposedly had him autopsied. The Government
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who supposedly is in charge of the investigation. It should have
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been clear-cut, but it's not. And, to me, that shows, in an
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overview, that the Government has been responsible for all this
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confusion, rather than clearing it up and actually presenting us
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with factual information as to what happened. So this is what is
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causing all of the problems, because the Government is STILL
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saying: "Well, there's nothing there. It's all cut and dried."
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And yet, it's not. </p>
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<p>You can look at the evidence for yourself. For instance, in the
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medical evidence, I could go down the whole list of doctors in
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Dallas who said that he had a large gaping hole in the right rear
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portion of his head. Even Clint Hill, the Secret Service agent
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who jumped up on the back of the car in a vain effort to save his
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life; in his Warren Commission testimony he says, quite bluntly,
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quite to the point: "The right rear portion of his head was
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missing." End-quote. Okay? How much clearer do you want to be?
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And every doctor in Dallas backed him up. Doctor Jones says that
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there was a large defect in the back side of his head. Dr. Perry
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said: "I noted a large evulsive wound in the right
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parieto-occipital area." I could go on and on and on. They all
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said the same thing: that there was a gaping hole in the right
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rear portion of his head. But today, we have an autopsy
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photograph that has come out of the Government that purports to
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show the back of President Kennedy's head, and there's no large
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gaping hole there. All there is is a small hole that the House
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Committee told us was an entrance wound. And yet, the autopsy
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doctor, Dr. Humes, in his testimony to the House Committee said:
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"Well, I don't know what that was, but that wasn't any wound of
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entrance. And I know that for sure." Okay? So what's going on
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here? I mean, the confusion points the finger at what REALLY is
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going on, and at who is generating all this. And it's the Federal
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Government!</p>
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<p>GARY NULL:
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Alright, so let's take a look here. You're suggesting that the
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Government, or various members of different areas of the
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Government have participated in a systematic cover-up.</p>
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Absolutely! For instance, the Warren Commission tells us -- and
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the people who defend the Warren Commission to this very day tell
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us -- that one of the shots (it started off that it was the first
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shot. Now they're backing up by saying: Well, maybe it was the
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second one or the third one) .... but one of the shots, they say,
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went through Kennedy's neck and did not hit anything. It went on
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to strike Governor Connally, causing all of his wounds --
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which has become known as "the single bullet theory"; this idea
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that one bullet went through both men. This is the foundation of
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the "single assassin theory". Okay? If you don't have one bullet
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going through two men, then you've got more bullets, which means
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more shooters, which means a conspiracy involving more than one
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gunman. So to keep from having to admit that, they came up with
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the "single bullet theory" which says that one bullet went
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through Kennedy's neck and struck Connally. </p>
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<p>Now, the problem is that the bullet did not go through his neck.
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The Warren Commission plainly states that it hit him in the
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middle of the back -- the third thoracic vertebrae, between the
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shoulder blades. Doctor Humes places it there in the
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Siebert-O'Neill FBI Report of the autopsy. His jacket and his
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shirt, in the National Archives, show a bullet hole in the middle
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of the back. Well, if there's a bullet hole in the middle of the
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back, and you try to track that to the throat wound -- which is
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what they do -- now you've got an upward trajectory, which
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destroys the idea that this bullet somehow cursed downward and
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struck Governor Connally. Plus, you've got Governor Connally's
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wrist X-ray, which shows that there are still more pieces of
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bullet in his wrist today than are missing off of the bullet that
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the Government still claims caused the wound. So it's very
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obvious that they're simply lying about what went on.</p>
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<p>We now have the January 27th minutes of the Warren Commission, in
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which their Chief Counsel admits that since we have a picture of
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where the bullet entered the back, that it's below the place
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where it came out the front. So how could it go and turn around,
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etc.? They knew it, and so they chose to lie to us and simply
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claim that the bullet went through his neck. And the supporters
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of the Warren Commission are still telling us the same thing,
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although this is totally opposite to what the medical evidence
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shows us.
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</p>
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<p>
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So it's a huge thing. You have to look at the totality of this
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case. Any one particular issue can be picked apart or explained
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away or rationalized as coincidence or happenstance, but if you
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look at the total picture, you can begin to get an understanding
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of what really went on.</p>
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<p>GARY NULL:
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Alright, Jim Marrs, I want you to hold on, because we're going to
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present some new information. By the way, Jim Marrs is an award-winning reporter for the Fort Worth Star-Telegram, and he was a
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reporter at the time of the assassination for the Denton Record-Chronicle. He teaches at the University of Texas at Arlington.
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(to be continued)
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* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *</p>
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<p> If you agree that this story deserves broad public attention,
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please assist in disseminating it by posting it to other
|
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networks, and by posting hardcopies in public places,
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both on and off campus. As evidence accrues concerning the
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mass media's thirty year cover-up of the coup d'etat
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against the People of the United States, the necessity of
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citizen reportage becomes ever more striking.</p>
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<p> John DiNardo</p>
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<p>Article 15678 of alt.conspiracy:
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Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk,alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,alt.society.civil-liberty,alt.individualism,alt.censorship,talk.politics.misc,misc.headlines,soc.culture.usa
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Path: cbnewsl!jad
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From: jad@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (John DiNardo)
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Subject: Part III, PACIFICA RADIO Investigates the Murder of President Kennedy
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Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
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Distribution: <span class="PERSON">North</span> America
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Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 15:54:18 GMT
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<span class="Message-ID"> 1992Sep9.155418.16387@cbnewsl.cb.att.com</span>
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Followup-To: alt.conspiracy.jfk
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Keywords: researchers' revelations about the assassination of President Kennedy
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Lines: 157</p>
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<p> I made the following transcript from a tape recording
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of a broadcast by Pacifica Radio station
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WBAI-FM (99.5)
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505 Eighth Ave., 19th Fl.
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New York, NY 10018 (212) 279-0707</p>
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<p>* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
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(continuation)
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GARY NULL:
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Now, just today -- just less than an hour ago -- the American
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Medical Association gave it's official position on the Kennedy
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assassination, and a Doctor George Lundberg, the editor of the
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Journal of the American Medical Association and Editor-in-Chief
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of Scientific Publications of JAMA, read their position paper,
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and I'll just quote something from it. Later in the show we're
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going to come back to this, because we have a part of the press
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conference recorded by WBAI. It says: </p>
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<p> "The recent Crenshaw book"
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(and we had Dr. Crenshaw on the show)
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"is a sad fabrication based upon unsubstantiated allegations. The best
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explanation for the motivations of myriad conspiracy theorists are
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paranoia, the desire for personal recognition, public visibility and profit.</p>
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<p>Anyhow, it says that this is all nonsense. There was no
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conspiracy; that the Warren Commission was right. And THAT was
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the press conference. We'll get more on the press conference, but
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I just want you to know that finally JAMA (and I don't know why
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JAMA would be sticking it's nose into something that it knows
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nothing about, to begin with) came out and felt the need to hold
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a press conference to say that the Warren Commission was right.
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Everyone (they say) in the field writing books, doing broadcasts,
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or offering information to the public, must be doing it for profit,
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recognition or some other [personal] motive. </p>
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<p>JIM MARRS:
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I've got news for them. Talk to anybody who has known me and
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they'll tell you that I've been making the same criticisms since
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the early '70s, and I certainly never made any money. In fact,
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people ....</p>
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<p>GARY NULL:
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Jim, let me ask you something. Have you ever been found guilty, in
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an extended trial, of restraint of trade, monopolistic practices,
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and, if so, was that conviction upheld all the way clear up to
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all the different appeals courts, and now the conviction is
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final?</p>
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<p>JIM MARRS:
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Not me.</p>
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<p>GARY NULL:
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Well that has happened to the American Medical Association. So,
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when the AMA has the audacity to come onto a press conference --
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with the muddled background that they have for having been caught
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engaging in the restraint of trade and in monopolistic practices
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-- claiming that others have ulterior motives, I think it's
|
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absolutely absurd.</p>
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<p>JIM MARRS:
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Anybody who knows anything knows that the AMA is a FIRM supporter
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of the status quo, and that it has been highly political for
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years. And I would ascribe political motives to almost anything
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that they do. The point that I want to make here is -- if my
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understanding is correct -- if they are simply quoting from the
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two autopsy doctors who worked on President Kennedy, well then,
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this is just an affirmation [of that autopsy]. Of course, those
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doctors are going to say the same things they said in 1963 and
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1964, and it's going to support the Warren Commission's
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contention. But this is a diversion. This is a red herring. This
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is not the issue. The issue is that what the autopsy doctors saw
|
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|
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was not the same as what the doctors saw [at Parkland Hospital]
|
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in Dallas. And there is a very DEEP discrepancy between the
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wounds as viewed in Dallas .... I just quoted you all these
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people who said that there was a large hole in the back of his
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head. This was not seen at the autopsy -- or not reported. So
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we've got some real discrepancies here, and this particular
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little news conference and their pronouncements are simply
|
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skirting the issue.</p>
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<p>GARY NULL:
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||
|
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Okay, Jim, I want you to hold on because we're going to introduce
|
||
|
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some new evidence and a new individual to our conference here.
|
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He is Harrison Edward Livingstone, the author of HIGH TREASON II.
|
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Welcome to our program, Mr. Livingstone.</p>
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<p>HARRISON LIVINGSTONE:
|
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Thanks for inviting me.</p>
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<p>GARY NULL:
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I would like to go straight to some of the most important issues,
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and if you would, please give us the research that you have
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uncovered on these. First, I would like to have you review, from
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your perspective, the eyewitness descriptions of Kennedy's real
|
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wounds.</p>
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<p>HARRISON LIVINGSTONE:
|
||
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Well, as you know, I've been able to interview almost every
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living medical witness. I did not talk to Doctor Clark, although
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he gave me certain answers through his secretary, twelve years
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ago. I have talked to Doctor Humes, but I can't say that anything
|
||
|
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was productive there, even after as much as an hour of talk.
|
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|
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But, other than that, my book presents the most complete history
|
||
|
|
of what these doctors are saying today, and put in perspective of
|
||
|
|
what they said and wrote in 1963. No other book or writer or
|
||
|
|
researcher has achiveved this.</p>
|
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<p>GARY NULL:
|
||
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|
We're not here to promote your book, as such. We're here for you
|
||
|
|
to please share your information with us. So if you could, please
|
||
|
|
go right to the information. Would you talk about the evidence of
|
||
|
|
forgery and retouching of the autopsy photographs and X-rays?</p>
|
||
|
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<p>HARRISON LIVINGSTONE:
|
||
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|
[initial words were drowned out by Gary Null's voice]
|
||
|
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.... doctors and the two autopsies. And the point being that they
|
||
|
|
are trying to head off at the pass the research that I have just
|
||
|
|
published, and for no other reason; also [they're targeting] Doctor
|
||
|
|
Crenshaw's book and his statements. They made a number of totally
|
||
|
|
false statements at this press conference. For instance, that
|
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|
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Crenshaw (they quoted other doctors, and this is an example of how
|
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|
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they cooked their article by the American Medical Association) ....
|
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|
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that Crenshaw was not present at the autopsy -- when if you go and
|
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|
|
read in Volume Six of the Warren Commission books, he is mentioned
|
||
|
|
by almost every doctor as having been there. And he was certainly
|
||
|
|
in a position to observe the wounds and to see what was going on.
|
||
|
|
And it doesn't take anybody more than an idiot to know that a
|
||
|
|
bullet is either an entry hole through the skin of the neck, or
|
||
|
|
it's an exit, because, if it's coming out, it's going to make
|
||
|
|
quite a tear. And anybody, basically, would see the difference.
|
||
|
|
I was pretty stunned, as you probably know, because I was at this
|
||
|
|
press conference today. You ask: Why is JAMA [the Journal of the
|
||
|
|
American Medical Association] doing this at this time, and I'm
|
||
|
|
just telling you there is only one reason why they're doing it.
|
||
|
|
It's because the whole cover-up perpetrated by the Government in
|
||
|
|
this case is directly threatened by the research that I have done
|
||
|
|
and by my making it possible for Crenshaw and the other doctors
|
||
|
|
to come forward.</p>
|
||
|
|
<p>GARY NULL:
|
||
|
|
Alright. Would you give us some link between Richard Nixon's men
|
||
|
|
and John Kennedy's killers that ties the assassination directly
|
||
|
|
to Watergate? And could you please give us the facts?
|
||
|
|
(to be continued)
|
||
|
|
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *</p>
|
||
|
|
<p> If you agree that this story deserves broad public attention,
|
||
|
|
please assist in disseminating it by posting it to other networks,
|
||
|
|
and by posting hardcopies in public places, both on and off campus.
|
||
|
|
As evidence accrues concerning the corporate mass media's thirty
|
||
|
|
year cover-up of the corporate CIA's coup d'etat against the
|
||
|
|
People of the United States, the necessity of citizen reportage
|
||
|
|
becomes ever more striking.</p>
|
||
|
|
<p> John DiNardo
|
||
|
|
Article 2723 of alt.conspiracy.jfk:
|
||
|
|
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk,alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,alt.society.civil-liberty,alt.individualism,alt.censorship,talk.politics.misc,misc.headlines,soc.culture.usa
|
||
|
|
Path: cbnewsl!jad
|
||
|
|
From: jad@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (John DiNardo)
|
||
|
|
Subject: Part IV, PACIFICA RADIO Investigates the Murder of President Kennedy
|
||
|
|
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
|
||
|
|
Distribution: <span class="PERSON">North</span> America
|
||
|
|
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 12:12:09 GMT
|
||
|
|
<span class="Message-ID"> 1992Sep11.121209.3771@cbnewsl.cb.att.com</span>
|
||
|
|
Followup-To: alt.conspiracy.jfk
|
||
|
|
Keywords: researchers' revelations about the assassination of President Kennedy
|
||
|
|
Lines: 152</p>
|
||
|
|
<p> I made the following transcript from a tape recording
|
||
|
|
of a broadcast by Pacifica Radio station
|
||
|
|
WBAI-FM (99.5)
|
||
|
|
505 Eighth Ave., 19th Fl.
|
||
|
|
New York, NY 10018 (212) 279-0707</p>
|
||
|
|
<p>* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
|
||
|
|
(continuation)
|
||
|
|
HARRISON LIVINGSTONE:
|
||
|
|
Before I get to that, you had asked me a question on this medical
|
||
|
|
evidence. Do you recall?</p>
|
||
|
|
<p>GARY NULL:
|
||
|
|
Yes. I asked you for the evidence of forgery and retouching in
|
||
|
|
the autopsy photographs and X-rays.</p>
|
||
|
|
<p>HARRISON LIVINGSTONE:
|
||
|
|
This is my special area of research. I discovered that the X-rays
|
||
|
|
were fake in that they show the entire face missing on the right
|
||
|
|
side. And again, this is what JAMA tried to head off at the press
|
||
|
|
conference today. They tried to ridicule criticism of the medical
|
||
|
|
evidence without facing these facts. And I asked them at the
|
||
|
|
press conference: "Didn't you notice that the face is missing --
|
||
|
|
that the President's face is missing in the X-rays, but it's NOT
|
||
|
|
missing in the photographs?" And, of course, at that point, the
|
||
|
|
press conference became tumultuous, and the whole thing began to
|
||
|
|
be overturned. The photographs, of course, show extensive
|
||
|
|
retouching and evidence of forgery. And this was directly how the
|
||
|
|
Chief Justice of the United States was tricked -- with this faked
|
||
|
|
evidence. The doctors, most recently (quite a few that JAMA did
|
||
|
|
not interview, and they don't dare interview, and if they did,
|
||
|
|
like other researchers, they're not going to report it) ....
|
||
|
|
because those doctors insist, to this day, that that throat wound
|
||
|
|
WAS an entry hole. And the many people who were at the autopsy
|
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.... and Doctor Fink, the forensic pathologist who was at the
|
||
|
|
autopsy, who was not interviewed by JAMA, and whom they claimed
|
||
|
|
declined, and I've talked to him. But he testified that the hole
|
||
|
|
in the back was an entry hole that did not penetrate into the
|
||
|
|
chest. So what JAMA did -- and as Jim Marrs just said: They're a
|
||
|
|
political action committee that doesn't dare let this evidence
|
||
|
|
link up because .... they've kept it compartmentalized. I asked
|
||
|
|
them: "What about Doctor Humes's stating at the end of his
|
||
|
|
testimony to Arlen Specter that the bullet that hit John Connally
|
||
|
|
could not possibly have been the same bullet that went through
|
||
|
|
John Kennedy because of the fragments that were found in Connally?"
|
||
|
|
They said: "We did not discuss John Connally in this article.
|
||
|
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It's not relevant." So that's an example of compartmentalizing
|
||
|
|
the evidence by a political action committee which has sought
|
||
|
|
to control the medical community in this country.</p>
|
||
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<p>GARY NULL:
|
||
|
|
Okay. Let's try to go back to the photographs. And please, if
|
||
|
|
you would, try to keep .... we have limited time and we want the
|
||
|
|
opportunity for you to give us as much information as you can.
|
||
|
|
Let's go specifically to the fraud that you are asserting, and
|
||
|
|
on the retouching of the photographs that no one else in the media
|
||
|
|
has picked up on.</p>
|
||
|
|
<p>HARRISON LIVINGSTONE:
|
||
|
|
Right. This is the key to the case, right now. The Chief Justice,
|
||
|
|
Earl Warren (and he mentions in his memoirs that he was shown
|
||
|
|
autopsy photographs) [said] that he was tricked by phony
|
||
|
|
photographs and X-rays which apparently show a shot that came from
|
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|
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behind. They claim that there is an entry hole in the area of the
|
||
|
|
cowlick, although the autopsists, Doctors Humes and Boswell, told
|
||
|
|
the committee of doctors at the House of Representatives that
|
||
|
|
they denied .... He said: I defy you to see this hole here where
|
||
|
|
you say it is; that this is not a hole. It's something else. And
|
||
|
|
it was four inches -- as the Clark Panel found in 1968 -- from
|
||
|
|
where that entry hole was placed in the autopsy report by Doctor
|
||
|
|
Humes and Doctor Boswell. It was four inches above it. Then,
|
||
|
|
showing the face missing in the X-rays and not showing Earl
|
||
|
|
Warren the photographs that showed the President's face intact
|
||
|
|
made him think that his face was blown away. And that's what we
|
||
|
|
see in the <span class="PERSON">Zapruder</span> film. And I believe that that's animated.</p>
|
||
|
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<p>GARY NULL:
|
||
|
|
Okay, let's go to some specific references. I'm looking now at a
|
||
|
|
photograph of John Kennedy. It's called "the stare of death"
|
||
|
|
photograph. And I'd like for you to talk about the reference
|
||
|
|
black triangle that appears on the right upper forehead of
|
||
|
|
Kennedy in this photograph.</p>
|
||
|
|
<p>HARRISON LIVINGSTONE:
|
||
|
|
Yes, if you have a clear print of that in the negative, in the
|
||
|
|
negative there is no light whatsoever that comes through that
|
||
|
|
triangle. It's much clearer in a clear print. In my book, we were
|
||
|
|
able to do the best possible reproductions, but, of course,
|
||
|
|
they're screened and it's not that clear. But in a comparable
|
||
|
|
right profile photograph, which we publish there, you can see
|
||
|
|
what has been covered up. And they're from two DIFFERENT sets of
|
||
|
|
photographs. One, with the reference black triangle is known as
|
||
|
|
"the Fox set of photographs" which came into the possession of
|
||
|
|
Mark Crouch, who was a friend of the Secret Service man, James K.
|
||
|
|
Fox, who took the rolls of film from Bethesda Naval Hospital over
|
||
|
|
to be developed in the Navy labs. The other set of photographs,
|
||
|
|
which were in the possession of Robert Groden, show that there is
|
||
|
|
a major laceration extending into the forehead of the President.
|
||
|
|
This was NOT seen in Dallas, but two of the autopsy doctors did
|
||
|
|
describe this laceration to me. They brought it up. I did not
|
||
|
|
bring it up. And they told me about the laceration going a half
|
||
|
|
an inch into the forehead above the right eye. That's where that
|
||
|
|
reference black triangle is. What the reasons were for covering
|
||
|
|
it up in some of those photographs are not clear to me. I can't
|
||
|
|
answer that question. All I know is that they conflict with each
|
||
|
|
other -- these two different pictures, as do many of the
|
||
|
|
photographs conflict with each other.</p>
|
||
|
|
<p>GARY NULL:
|
||
|
|
Also, it's very clear that the whole right side of the head is
|
||
|
|
blackened out, and only the ear is visible. That is CLEARLY
|
||
|
|
retouching.</p>
|
||
|
|
<p>HARRISON LIVINGSTONE:
|
||
|
|
That's it. And the whole back of the head, extending around
|
||
|
|
behind to the right ear was missing. And a major part of my
|
||
|
|
research was to try to resolve the puzzles of the medical
|
||
|
|
evidence. Exactly what did the wounds look like? I was able to
|
||
|
|
determine -- by having the doctors and the witnesses at the
|
||
|
|
autopsy and in Dallas draw on mannequin heads -- exactly where
|
||
|
|
the bone defect was and how much scalp was missing. And they are
|
||
|
|
identical. The wound was not altered, but there was a large hole
|
||
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that went all the way around to the side of the head. The autopsy
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report is accurate in that respect, but the problem was that
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there was sort of a flap of scalp that was badly macerated and it
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did have an egg-shaped-sized hole through it. But it could not
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possibly cover up all of the missing bone that was underneath
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there. And this caused a lot of confusion among engineers and
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accountants and other people with that mindset who do this
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research, because they can't semantically separate out the
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issues, for instance, between alteration and tampering, or
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between laceration and incision. A lot of the confusion in the
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case (in the medical evidence) is semantic, so I was able to
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determine that the body was not altered. It may have been
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tampered with, but even that doesn't appear to have been
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necessary when all they really had to do was to fake the
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photographs and flash them at Earl Warren who put them aside
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immediately because of their gore.
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(to be continued)
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* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *</p>
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<p> If you agree that this story deserves broad public attention, please
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assist in disseminating it by posting it to other bulletin boards
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and by posting hardcopies in public places, both on and off campus.
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As evidence accrues concerning the corporate mass media's thirty-year
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cover-up of the corporate CIA's coup d'etat against the People of
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the United States, the necessity of citizen reportage becomes
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ever more striking.</p>
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<p> John DiNardo</p>
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<p>Article 15763 of alt.conspiracy:
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Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk,alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,alt.society.civil-liberty,alt.individualism,alt.censorship,talk.politics.misc,misc.headlines,soc.culture.usa
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Path: cbnewsl!jad
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From: jad@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (John DiNardo)
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Subject: Part V, PACIFICA RADIO Investigates the Murder of President Kennedy
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Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
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Distribution: <span class="PERSON">North</span> America
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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 16:56:49 GMT
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<span class="Message-ID"> 1992Sep14.165649.23560@cbnewsl.cb.att.com</span>
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Followup-To: alt.conspiracy.jfk
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Keywords: researchers' revelations about the assassination of President Kennedy
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Lines: 160</p>
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<p> I made the following transcript from a tape recording
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of a broadcast by Pacifica Radio station
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WBAI-FM (99.5)
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505 Eighth Ave., 19th Fl.
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New York, NY 10018 (212) 279-0707</p>
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<p>* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
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(continuation)
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GARY NULL:
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Alright, now there are two other very VERY important issues here.
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And they are that the photographs of John Kennedy's body, where
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he is on his face, lying on his stomach here, it shows ....</p>
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<p>HARRISON LIVINGSTONE:
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Lying on his back. There's no picture of him lying on his
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stomach.</p>
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<p>GARY NULL:
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Oh, okay. Yeah, it's been turned around there. I have a picture
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of his back, and the first bullet hole ....</p>
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<p>HARRISON LIVINGSTONE:
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He's lifted up from the table -- yes. </p>
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<p>GARY NULL:
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Okay. The first bullet hole is about four inches, it looks like,
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below the ....</p>
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<p>HARRISON LIVINGSTONE:
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Well the larger hole is not the hole. It's about two inches below
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that. You'll see a small red thing, closer to the roller, and
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that, the men all state, was a hole. And they also indicate that
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that deep depression down toward the bottom of the roller is a
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bullet hole.</p>
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<p>GARY NULL:
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Yeah, well there are two bullet holes in his back. How can a man
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have two bullet holes in his back, and then ....</p>
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<p>HARRISON LIVINGSTONE:
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I don't know what the answer is, but I do know that there were
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gunmen all around that car. In Senator Dodd's report -- that was
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appended to the House Committee report when he was in the House
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of Representatives -- stated that there were at least three
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gunmen firing, and two of them had to have been from behind,
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because of the closeness of the shots. There ARE six shots on
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that Dallas [motorcycle] police tape recording.</p>
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<p>GARY NULL:
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Yeah, but you see, the Warren Commission does not state that.</p>
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<p>HARRISON LIVINGSTONE:
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No! They say that three shots were fired and two struck the
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President.</p>
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<p>GARY NULL:
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Also, you have the entire back of the head shown very clearly,
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and you do not see the ....</p>
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<p>HARRISON LIVINGSTONE:
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No. Part of that is not clear at all. You see the area that's out
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of focus there. The background is in focus and the foreground --
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where the cowlick [is] closest to the lens of the camera -- is in
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focus. But the area all along the hairline from behind the ear
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down to the center of the neck (in the hair) is out of focus. And
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that's where they smudged all that over when they made their
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composite photograph.</p>
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<p>GARY NULL:
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Alright, what I'd like to do is this. Let's just summarize here
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for a moment. What we have are some CLEARLY retouched
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photographs. We have more bullet holes in the President's body
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than the Warren Commission, or any of the so-called "official"
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investigations, have recognized. How in the world does a man end
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up with this many proveable bullet holes, and yet, still have
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one man doing all the shooting? Some of these bullet holes are
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clearly exit wounds. Some are entrance wounds. And yet, the
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Warren Commission has, for whatever reason, only presented that
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these were rear entrance wounds. The autopsy photographs HAVE
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been altered. The X-rays HAVE been altered. It is not possible to
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end up with an X-ray .... Let's say if you took a normal anterior
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/posterior skull X-ray, and then you took the Kennedy anterior/
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posterior skull X-ray -- the Kennedy lateral skull X-ray --
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there's an amount of facial bone that's missing. If this were
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presented in any regular forensic trial today, it would be
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LAUGHABLE. The evidence would be thrown out as inadmissible and
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faulty.</p>
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<p>We're going to take a brief break. I'd like both Jim Marrs
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[author of CROSSFIRE] and also, our guest on the phone right now
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-- who just returned from the press conference -- Harrison Edward
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Livingstone, who needless to say, was part of the reason that the
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AMA called this hasty press conference (and the press conference
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itself you'll hear a little later on. We tape recorded some of
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it) .... we're going to get to some information that I think the
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people in this audience have always wondered about. Are you aware
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that not ONCE were we ever given the real reason as to why the
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Watergate Break-In occurred? What was in the safe they were
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looking for? Why did CIA people go into that safe? Why did Nixon
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authorize it? That brought down the whole Nixon Administration
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-- about sixty-seven of his top cronies. Why? We were never
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asked that! The media never probed it further than what was
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given to them.</p>
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<p>Well, you're going to hear something when we come back, about the
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link between Richard Nixon's men and John Kennedy's killers that
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ties the assassination directly to Watergate.
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(to be continued)
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* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *</p>
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<p> [JD: There was an incident which remains vivid in my memory, and
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it has never been explored by anyone, though it might provide
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a fuller picture of the possible link between the Watergate
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Break-In and the assassination of President Kennedy.</p>
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<p> Those of you who are old enough will recall the numerous
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Presidential press conferences of Richard Nixon during which
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|
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he was interrogatively flayed and driven to the brink of
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impeachment by a concerted onslaught from the press corps,
|
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|
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members of which have since been alleged to be journalistic
|
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|
|
prostitutes for the CIA (e.g. Walter Cronkite and, I think,
|
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|
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Dan Rather, notorious among many). In one of those press
|
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conferences (I think it may have been the "I'm not a crook!"
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press conference) a reporter asked Nixon [I'm paraphrasing]:
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You said something about the John Kennedy assassination as
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an example or an analogy ....
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And then, Nixon cut him off and exclaimed, with distress:
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"No, no, no! I didn't mean to imply that I know any more
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about that assassination than anyone else does."
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Nixon's tenseness at this moment was striking.
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Since then, I have been suspicious that Nixon might have
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knowledge, if not some involvement in the assassination.</p>
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<p> What ought to be examined is a tape of that press
|
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conference so that perhaps a scientific voice analysis
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can be done to indicate, albeit not to prove, that Nixon
|
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was lying about his lack of knowledge of any unreported
|
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|
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evidence surrounding the assassination of John Kennedy.
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If enough people wish to collaborate on such a project,
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we may be able to finance the purchase of the tape and the
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voice analysis with small cost to everyone involved.
|
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Please send me e-mail if you are interested.</p>
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<p> John DiNardo
|
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|
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jad@cbnewsl.cb.att.com or jad@att!ckuxb</p>
|
||
|
|
<p> If you agree that this story deserves broad public attention, please
|
||
|
|
assist in disseminating it by posting it to other bulletin boards,
|
||
|
|
and by posting hardcopies in public places, both on and off campus.
|
||
|
|
As evidence accrues concerning the corporate mass media's thirty-year
|
||
|
|
cover-up of the corporate CIA's coup d'etat against the People of
|
||
|
|
the United States, the necessity of citizen reportage becomes
|
||
|
|
ever more striking.</p>
|
||
|
|
<p> John DiNardo
|
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|
|
Article 15807 of alt.conspiracy:
|
||
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Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk,alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,alt.society.civil-liberty,alt.individualism,alt.censorship,talk.politics.misc,misc.headlines,soc.culture.usa
|
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|
|
Path: cbnewsl!jad
|
||
|
|
From: jad@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (John DiNardo)
|
||
|
|
Subject: Part VI, PACIFICA RADIO Investigates the Murder of President Kennedy
|
||
|
|
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
|
||
|
|
Distribution: <span class="PERSON">North</span> America
|
||
|
|
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 15:53:10 GMT
|
||
|
|
<span class="Message-ID"> 1992Sep16.155310.24072@cbnewsl.cb.att.com</span>
|
||
|
|
Followup-To: alt.conspiracy.jfk
|
||
|
|
Keywords: researchers' revelations about the assassination of President Kennedy
|
||
|
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Lines: 123</p>
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<p> I made the following transcript from a tape recording of a
|
||
|
|
broadcast by Pacifica Radio station
|
||
|
|
WBAI-FM (99.5)
|
||
|
|
505 Eighth Ave., 19th Fl.
|
||
|
|
New York, NY 10018 (212) 279-0707</p>
|
||
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|
<p>* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
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GARY NULL:
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We're also going to talk about proof of fraud and disinformation
|
||
|
|
campaigns WITHIN the assassination research community, and how a
|
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United States Senator and two former Presidents personally
|
||
|
|
covered up facts in the case. And we're also going to talk about
|
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|
|
proof that bullets WERE removed from the President's body at
|
||
|
|
Bethesda Naval Hospital before the autopsy began. That's just
|
||
|
|
some of what we're going to talk about today. New information;
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|
very powerful information. And, contrary to what my first guest
|
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|
|
suggested (and I respect that each guest can have their own point
|
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of view, and everyone has the right to have a point of view, even
|
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|
|
if it differs with other people on the show) he suggested that
|
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there was no hard data. This is as good data as can be produced.</p>
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<p>Now I'm going to ask our guest, Jim Marrs, you're going to have
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about ten minutes, and Harrison Edward Livingstone, you're going
|
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to have about ten minutes. You can take a break, because you're
|
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talking on the commercial-free Pacifica Radio station in
|
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New York, WBAI, 99.5 FM, a 50000 watt station. I've been here
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for fifteen years. We work for free -- those of us on the air,
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and we ask, three times a year, for pledges from the station's
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listners to help support our efforts.</p>
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<p> [JD: My apologies for missing the subsequent discourse.
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I'm trying to obtain a tape of it. If and when I do,
|
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I'll promptly transcribe it for you. However, I have taped
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numerous hours of information covering the succeeding
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episodes in the series. So the following transcript resumes
|
||
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the discussion with the next day's broadcast in the series.]</p>
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<p>GARY NULL:
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Alright, David, if you could, please, would you go through this
|
||
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|
evidence in some detail? You're making a lot of statements and a
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a lot of allegations. We'd like you now to substantiate the
|
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differences between the official version.</p>
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<p>DAVID LIFTON:
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Okay. With regard to the casket, for example, the witness who
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opened the casket .... the persons who saw the casket come in the
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back door of Bethesda Naval Hospital, and who actually unloaded
|
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it are Dennis David, the chief-of-the-day at Bethesda Naval
|
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Hospital and a man named Don Rabbatisch [sp] who was actually one
|
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of the casket toters, so to speak -- who took it out of the black
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hearse in which it arrived.</p>
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<p>The account of Dennis David is that he is at the back of the
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hospital. He is in charge of part of the security function. He is
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told that the President's body is going to arrive there. They go
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down. The black hearse pulls in. He assembles some of his men.
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Don Rabbatisch is one of them. They bring the casket inside.
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A black hearse pulls up. There's a group of plainclothesmen and
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two men in O.R. smocks. They get out of the ambulance. The
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shipping casket (and that's what it was: a shipping casket) is
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removed from the black hearse. It is brought onto the loading
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dock and it is brought to the door of the morgue. In the door of
|
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the morgue is Paul O'Connor. He's the medical technician listed
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in the FBI reports, and who is also listed in the official Navy
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records, and in the House Select Committee records. He opens the
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casket which is a shipping casket, according to O'Connor. Inside
|
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the shipping casket is a body bag. He unzips the body bag, puts
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the President's body, along with others in the morgue, on the
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table. He said that when the wrapping was removed from the head
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area, there was a gasp in the room, and he said: "and I looked
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down and said, 'My God, there's no brain!'" And you could see
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this. It was apparent. The FBI, at that time, writes notes. They
|
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write a report that weekend. In their report, which was not
|
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|
published with the Warren Commission documents, but is at the
|
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National Archives, they write that when the body was removed from
|
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the casket in which it was transported, it was (quote) "apparent
|
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that there had been surgery to the head area; namely in the top
|
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of the skull." And that's the official record. That's the
|
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evidence.</p>
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<p>Now, the Warren Commission did not know about most of this
|
||
|
|
evidence that I am talking about here. They did not perform this
|
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|
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kind of analysis. They did not establish what, in law, is called
|
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a "chain of possession" on the body. So the Navy commander who
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performed the autopsy simply comes before the Commission, raises
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his right hand and testifies as to the condition of the body.
|
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|
And they accept that autopsy report which states that President
|
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|
|
Kennedy was shot twice from behind, based on wounds you see on
|
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|
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the body which were NOT on the body in Dallas, if you compare
|
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Dallas versus Bethesda -- Dallas being where the President was
|
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shot, Bethesda being where the autopsy was performed six hours
|
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later. Based on the Bethesda wound pattern, President Kennedy IS,
|
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or appears to be, in fact, shot twice from behind. Based on the
|
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Dallas wound pattern, he was NOT.</p>
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<p>Now ordinarily, you would trust the autopsy over the accounts of
|
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|
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the doctors at Dallas, because the autopsy is better evidence.
|
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It's, in fact, the "best evidence". It's based on the body of the
|
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|
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President. But the irony is that, in this case, there is a
|
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|
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subterfuge, and, in fact, the body was altered. That's what my
|
||
|
|
book was all about: persuading the reader that there is evidence
|
||
|
|
that the body was altered, and that this is the reason why the
|
||
|
|
evidence looks the way it does. I might just add that if you
|
||
|
|
start with this evidence in 1992, the same evidence that they had
|
||
|
|
in 1963, unless this autopsy is overturned, you're going to come
|
||
|
|
to the same conclusion: that Oswald shot the President. This
|
||
|
|
autopsy is the legal foundation for that whole house of cards.
|
||
|
|
It cannot collapse unless the autopsy is overturned in a
|
||
|
|
definitive fashion.
|
||
|
|
(to be continued)
|
||
|
|
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *</p>
|
||
|
|
<p> If you agree that this story deserves broad public attention, please
|
||
|
|
assist in disseminating it by posting it to other bulletin boards,
|
||
|
|
and by posting hardcopies in public places, both on and off campus.
|
||
|
|
As evidence accrues concerning the corporate mass media's thirty-year
|
||
|
|
cover-up of the corporate CIA's coup d'etat against the People of
|
||
|
|
the United States, the necessity of citizen reportage becomes
|
||
|
|
ever more striking.</p>
|
||
|
|
<p> John DiNardo
|
||
|
|
Article 15839 of alt.conspiracy:
|
||
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From: jad@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (John DiNardo)
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Subject: Part VII, PACIFICA RADIO Investigates the Murder of President Kennedy</p>
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<p>Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
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Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1992 16:16:26 GMT
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<span class="Message-ID"> 1992Sep18.161626.13759@cbnewsl.cb.att.com</span>
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<p> I made the following transcript from a tape recording
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of a broadcast by Pacifica Radio station
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WBAI-FM (99.5)
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505 Eighth Ave., 19th Fl.
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New York, NY 10018 (212) 279-0707</p>
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(continuation)
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GARY NULL:
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What would have been the sequence of events to have allowed the
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brain to have been removed, since there is no evidence that it
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was removed in Dallas during the procedures that were performed
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on the body at that time?</p>
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<p>DAVID LIFTON:
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If I understand you correctly, you're asking me when was the body
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stolen. Is that what you're saying?</p>
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<p>GARY NULL:
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Yes. When was it stolen, and why would they have removed the
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brain, and where did the brain next appear?</p>
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<p>DAVID LIFTON:
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The only time that the body could have been taken out of the casket
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(and this is covered in the conclusion of my book), and the only
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time (I don't want to say that the casket is unguarded because
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there are always Secret Service agents around, and you cannot have
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this go forward without the connivance of some Secret Service agents),
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but the only time that the Kennedys aren't all over that casket is
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when they come back to Air Force One after the shooting. That is,
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after the President is pronounced dead at Parkland Hospital,
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a coffin is obtained -- a large viewing casket which everybody sees
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on national TV. They go out to Love Field with the President's body
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in the casket. They go aboard the aircraft and they learn that
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there is going to be a delay. "Why," they ask. "Why can't they
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take-off immediately for Washington?" "Well," they're told,
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"Lyndon Johnson is aboard this aircraft. He didn't go back to
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Washington on the other plane. He's on this plane."
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And he appears and says: "I spoke to Bobby Kennedy, and Bobby
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Kennedy said, 'Delay the flight. I must be sworn in first in the
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state of Texas.'" This is all denied that night by Bobby Kennedy
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who tells his sister-in-law Jacqueline Kennedy that he said no such
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thing to Lyndon Johnson; that he (Johnson) called Bobby Kennedy,
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who was Attorney-General in Washington, and said: I'm being told
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that I should be sworn in. Do you have any objections; that it
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wasn't the other way around.</p>
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<p>Anyway, the result of this is that the flight is delayed by about
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a half-hour, and basically, the Kennedys (Mrs. Kennedy and the
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Kennedy aides) are told or requested to come to the front of the
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plane to witness the swearing in. It is in connection with this
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activity of "delay the flight and let's go to the front of the
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plane for the swearing in" .... that's the only time that the
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Kennedy party is not all over that casket. That's the time, I
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believe, (and it's a process of elimination, I will concede. I
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don't have a direct witness; otherwise I'd have solved the Kennedy
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assassination) .... but it's during that period that the body
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must have been taken out of the casket and put into some other
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casket and brought somewhere. I personally believe, at the time I
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wrote BEST EVIDENCE, that the body was flown to Washington, D.C.,
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and that the alterations occurred on the East Coast after the
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plane landed at Andrews Air Force Base at six o'clock. And I
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cited, as evidence, helicopter activity on the starboard side;
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that is, the side facing away from public view -- and from radio
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transmissions indicating that they were going to go with the body
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to Walter Reed Army Hospital where (quote) "an autopsy was to be
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conducted under guard." And all that's on the radio. And I
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spelled it out in my book. </p>
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<p>Now, it's an unsolved mystery as to where this body was taken.
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But wherever it happened, that's where the brain would be removed
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and the wounds altered. It would be done very quickly. It was
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done VERY sloppily, I might add. And that's why, when the body
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arrived without a brain, it was immediately noted that there had
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been surgery to the head area. That's what the FBI wrote down.
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We're not dealing with some kind of perfect fraud here. We're
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dealing with a very imperfect crime with footprints all over the
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place; footprints which are ignored by the Warren Commission
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because they saw the crime -- or you might say they saw these
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events through very Establishment eyes. They never questioned any
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of this stuff that's brought up in my book.
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GARY NULL:
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When did the brain next appear?</p>
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<p>DAVID LIFTON:
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A brain is infused, in the autopsy room, by another technician:
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James Jenkins. Now let me explain this. It's kind of interesting.
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There were three technicians in the room: a guy named Ranicki, a
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fellow named Paul O'Connor and a fellow named Jenkins. Paul
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O'Connor gives me the account (and it's a thing that he will
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never forget. It just came out of his mouth when I interviewed
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him in 1979), that the cranium is empty. There's no brain, etc.
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And on the chart where the body organ weights are listed (a chart
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which is perfectly authentic. It has little pink spots on it.
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That's Kennedy's blood. It's in the National Archives today)
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there is no weight given for the brain, but there is a weight for
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many of the other body organs.</p>
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<p>That night, at some point -- and I don't know when -- a brain is
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brought into the room. That brain is given to James Jenkins,
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another technician. James infuses that brain with formaldehyde.
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And that brain becomes the evidence brain. It is weighed ten days
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later, or something. It's weight is recorded in a supplementary
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brain report. When I confronted O'Connor, on camera, with the fact
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that there is this brain, he said: "Well I don't know where they
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got it from. It certainly couldn't have been the President's!"
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In other words, it did not arrive in the body. Now, that's the way
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an autopsy is supposed to happen. The body is supposed to have the
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body parts inside it. You know, we're not dealing with United
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Parcel Service where you send something and say: "See attached."
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The brain is supposed to come in the cranium. Now, a brain is
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definitely brought into the room. I do not know how it got into
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the room. I can just tell you that James Jenkins infused a brain
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that night, whereas Paul O'Connor said that the cranium was empty.
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And by the way, O'Connor's account is corroborated by the X-ray
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technician who said that the hole was so large and the thing was
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so empty that he could have put his hands inside the hole.
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(to be continued)
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* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *</p>
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<p> If you agree that this story deserves broad public attention, please
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assist in disseminating it by posting it to other bulletin boards,
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and by posting hardcopies in public places, both on and off campus.
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As evidence accrues concerning the corporate mass media's thirty-year
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cover-up of the corporate CIA's coup d'etat against the People of
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the United States, the necessity of citizen reportage becomes
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ever more striking.</p>
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<p> John DiNardo
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Article 2820 of alt.conspiracy.jfk:
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Path: cbnewsl!jad
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From: jad@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (John DiNardo)
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Subject: Part VIII, PACIFICA RADIO Investigates the Murder of President Kennedy
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Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
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Distribution: <span class="PERSON">North</span> America
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Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1992 12:50:12 GMT
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<span class="Message-ID"> 1992Sep22.125012.13133@cbnewsl.cb.att.com</span>
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Followup-To: alt.conspiracy.jfk
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Keywords: researchers' revelations about the assassination of President Kennedy
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Lines: 140</p>
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<p> I made the following transcript from a tape recording
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of a broadcast by Pacifica Radio station
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WBAI-FM (99.5)
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505 Eighth Ave., 19th Fl.
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New York, NY 10018 (212) 279-0707</p>
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<p>* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
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(continuation)
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GARY NULL:
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Alright. We're going to be speaking with Paul O'Connor in just a
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few moments. We have him on the show, as well, because we wanted
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indidividuals who could corroborate your information.</p>
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<p>But right now, we're going to ask you to remain on hold. We're in
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the midst of a WBAI fund-raising [period] ....</p>
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<p>.... My show is on the air five days a week bringing programs to
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you that will give you insights. Like right now we're doing a
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whole series on Government agendas and hidden agendas, and the
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conspiracies. We're targetting, right now, the [John] Kennedy
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Assassination, just because that assassination is something that
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everyone would agree had a major national impact. The trouble is,
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what we were told is the OFFICIAL position doesn't blend with what
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other researchers and first-hand observers are suggesting were the
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actual cases. And then, we have to ask: Why would someone cover-up
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this information? Why? Why would the media not report it? Why
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would the Government not investigate it? Why would the Warren
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Commission not explore it? So we're looking at that.</p>
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<p>Right now, on our program (and I want to thank our guests for
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being patient and for standing by) is David Lifton, the author of
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BEST EVIDENCE. He is suggesting that there were two caskets, one
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body; and that the body arrived without a brain; and that the
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brain that we were told was President Kennedy's brain may have,
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indeed, been someone else's; that there was a gaping hole large
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enough to put a fist through when it arrived in Washington; and
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that therefore, there had been alterations. </p>
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<p>Now, let us see what other corroboration we could have for this.
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We have, on the conference phone right now, Dr. Charles Crenshaw.
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Dr. Crenshaw, who graduated from the Parkland Memorial Hospital in
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Dallas, Texas, who specializes in general surgery, is presently
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the chairman and director of the Department of Surgery at Saint
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Peters-Smith Hospital, in the Fort Worth area. He is a professor
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of clinical surgery at the University of Texas, Southwestern
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Health Center's Science Center in Dallas. Welcome to our program,
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Dr. Crenshaw.</p>
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<p>DR. CRENSHAW:
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Thank you.</p>
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<p>GARY NULL:
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By the way, Dr. Crenshaw is also the author of a very important
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work on the Kennedy Assassination called, JFK: THE CONSPIRACY OF
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SILENCE, which right now, I believe, is number one on the New York
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Times bestseller list. Isn't it?</p>
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<p>DR. CRENSHAW:
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Yes, it is.</p>
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<p>GARY NULL:
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And, by the way, THREE other books on the top-ten bestseller list
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are also about this assassination, so CLEARLY there is interest.
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Would you be good enough to explain to us the inconsistencies
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between your EYEWITNESS account and the official report upheld by
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the Warren Commission?</p>
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<p>DR. CRENSHAW:
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That day, on November the 22nd, 1963, all of the surgeons at
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Parkland believed that our President, John Fitzgerald Kennedy was
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shot at least once from the front. We saw two wounds there. Both
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of them were from the front. The head wound was tangential in
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nature, coming in over the right side, above his ear, and leaving
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a large exit area, a vulsed[?] area in the right-rear part of the
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head. There was loss of part of the parietal, temporal and most
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of the occipital lobe of the right cerebral hemisphere, with
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exposure of the cerebellum. It was about two-and-a-half to two-and-three-fourths inches in diameter. It was more or less
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circular. And in the photos from the National Archives -- which
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are so damaging -- this wound had completely vanished. There was
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no wound seen in the exhibits that are marked "B" and "E" in the
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book. This wound, that ALL of the physicians at Parkland
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described, was completely gone. The second wound was in the
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anterior part of the neck. It was about three to six millimeters
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in size and with an arc the size of your little finger. It was
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clearly demarcated as round and relatively clean-cut. Then the
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tracheal tube that had been put down was ineffective. And then
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Dr. Perry performed a tracheostomy through the entrance wound.
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The incision was sharp with smooth edges, and about an inch to
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and inch-and-a-half long. It was no longer than the flange on the
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tracheostomy tube, which was one-and-three-fourths inches. Not
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only that, after the nurses had removed this tracheostomy tube
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before we placed him in the coffin, it was brought back again.
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The edges were still smooth and very sharp. And in the autopsy
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photographs that I first saw in looking for the head wound, this
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wound was widely gaping, it was irregular, and it was now about
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two-point-five to three inches long. So there was CLEARLY a
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change between these wounds, that I saw at Parkland, and the
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wounds that we saw on the autopsy pictures that were given from
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the National Archives.</p>
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<p>GARY NULL:
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Why didn't you or others at the scene later complain or even make
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an issue or an affidavit showing that this was an alteration?</p>
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<p>DR. CRENSHAW:
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We never saw the photos. The first time I saw these was in early
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1991. The Parkland physicians were never given this opportunity.
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They were only told about the additional wounds (which I doubt
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whether there was another wound in the back of the head, because
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I looked there) and were never told or shown any other evidence.
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We were told only about the autopsy. And we, like most people,
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felt that they would have had the best forensic minds in our
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country to examine our President. However, obviously, [from] what
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has been discussed and what we now know, [that assumption] was wrong.
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And so, we had no other knowledge other than the description by the
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Secret Service.</p>
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<p>GARY NULL:
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So if you had the description by the Secret Service, by an
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extension of this logic, the Secret Service or someone would have
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had to participate in this cover-up, or this obstruction of
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information. Would that be a reasonable assumption?</p>
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<p>DR. CRENSHAW:
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I think that's a very reasonable assumption.
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(to be continued)
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* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *</p>
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<p> If you agree that this story deserves broad public attention, please
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assist in disseminating it by posting it to other bulletin boards,
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and by posting hardcopies in public places, both on and off campus.
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As evidence accrues concerning the corporate mass media's thirty-year
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cover-up of the corporate CIA's coup d'etat against the People of
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the United States, the necessity of citizen reportage becomes
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ever more striking.</p>
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<p> John DiNardo</p>
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<p>Article 15923 of alt.conspiracy:
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Path: cbnewsl!jad
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From: jad@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (John DiNardo)
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Subject: Part IX, PACIFICA RADIO Investigates the Murder of President Kennedy
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Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
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Distribution: <span class="PERSON">North</span> America
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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1992 13:24:03 GMT
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<span class="Message-ID"> 1992Sep24.132403.3774@cbnewsl.cb.att.com</span>
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Lines: 171</p>
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<p> I made the following transcript from a tape recording
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of a broadcast by Pacifica Radio station
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WBAI-FM (99.5)
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505 Eighth Ave., 19th Fl.
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New York, NY 10018 (212) 279-0707</p>
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(continuation)
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GARY NULL:
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Alright. Do you believe that the shots came just from the Book
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Depository, or from the Grassy Knoll, or from where?</p>
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<p>DR. CHARLES CRENSHAW:
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I cannot say that, but he WAS shot twice from the front. And I
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assume, also, that he was shot from the back. So there could not
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have been just one shooter; that is, Oswald. We spent all of the
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next week from the 22nd to the 29th [of Nov. '63], trying to figure
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out (as we had been told the official version: that it was Oswald)
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how in the world the President could have been shot from the
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front when Oswald was supposedly the lone shooter. And on
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December the 5th of that year, it was the same way with the
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Secret Service. They reenacted the assassination, and it was
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their ability there, trying to show how he was shot from the
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front, yet being shot from the School Book Depository. It was a
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question in everyone's mind.</p>
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<p>GARY NULL:
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We know that there was one bullet that missed the bodies of both
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Kennedy and Connally completely, because it ricocheted off of the
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cement. There is absolute evidence of that. The ricochet struck
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one of the people standing right on the curb. That meant that
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there had to have been four bullets shot, at minimum. We know
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then of three. There is an estimate of six. There were acoustical
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recordings showing six shots. So even if we assume that there
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were four, the Warren Commission claims that there were not four.</p>
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<p>DR. CRENSHAW:
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Yes.</p>
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<p>GARY NULL:
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Now, how in the world is it possible for one shooter, from the
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Book Depository, firing at a moving target, to get off four
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rounds in what would have to have been under approximately
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four-point-eight seconds. And even extending it to six seconds,
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it's not humanly possible. No one has ever been able to duplicate
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that.</p>
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<p>DR. CRENSHAW:
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No. And I don't think they ever will be. And one other thing.
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I also took care of, post-operatively, Governor Connally. And
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Connally and Mrs. Connally (Nellie) have always stated that he
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was not hit by the same bullet that the President was hit by. He
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stated that post-operatively, and he has also stated it recently.</p>
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<p>GARY NULL:
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Alright. The Secret Service's refusal, against [Parkland]
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Hospital policy and Texas law, to allow an autopsy to be
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performed on JFK, and the swift removal of the President's body
|
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from the hospital to Air Force One and back to Washington, D.C. ....
|
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Give us your insights on that, please.</p>
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<p>DR. CRENSHAW:
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Well, you know, this is the reason. I was a junior resident,
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staying there preparing the President's body along while the
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nurses were preparing him. But I would stay there because this is
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just a law, and we MUST have a chain of evidence if we were going
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to prosecute whoever had shot the President.</p>
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<p>Then, all of a sudden, there was such a hubbub with the Secret
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Service. They would not have the autopsy performed there, even
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though our forensic pathologist, Dr. Earl Rose, had told them, in
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no uncertain terms, that this had to be. So they asked the
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administrator to get a justice of the peace. A very young,
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uneducated justice of the peace came there. And he even talked
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with the district attorney and the chief of police, and he was
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told that he should at least have an autopsy or a bullet.
|
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However, he chose to go along with the Secret Service and sign
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the death certificate. Also, in so doing, he checked the inquest
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that was performed. That was merely his walking at the head of
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the room, looking in. And also, he checked that an autopsy was
|
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performed. And I can assure you, there was no autopsy performed
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there. Then, at Mrs. Kennedy's request and [that of] the Secret
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Service, the coffin was brought in, and it is the one that is
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described. It was the large bronze coffin. And there, we put a
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rubberized sheet there, and a clear plastic mattress cover over
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that to keep the blood from getting into the satin. He had,
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initially, towels around the head, but he had bled through that,
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and Mr. O'Neill, of the O'Neill Funeral Home, put several
|
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rubberized sacks (we had no good plastic then), and then we
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placed him in the coffin. After, again, I looked at the head
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wound and placed a sheet over the President, with his clothes at
|
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the bottom. And there was no body bag at Parkland. He had just a
|
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sheet over there. And the coffin was the bronze one that all the
|
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pictures were made [taken of] at Andrews Air Force Base.</p>
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<p>GARY NULL:
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Isn't it rather unusual that a Dr. Boswell would state that he is
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now removing head bandages? What is the significance of that
|
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statement?</p>
|
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<p>DR. CRENSHAW:
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I do not know. Boswell is also the one who has said, of course,
|
||
|
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that the tracheostomy was almost three inches long. And it was not
|
||
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|
that [length] when it left Parkland. But he did have those rubberized
|
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sacks over his head. This is the only thing that I could have
|
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thought: that maybe they thought it was a body bag. But there was
|
||
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NO body bag.</p>
|
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<p>GARY NULL:
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||
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Okay. I'm going to go now to Paul O'Connor.
|
||
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Mr. O'Connor, are you on the line?</p>
|
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<p>PAUL O'CONNOR:
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Yes sir.</p>
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<p>GARY NULL:
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||
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And Dr. Michio Kaku, are you on the line?</p>
|
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<p>MICHIO KAKU:
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I'm on the line.</p>
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<p>GARY NULL:
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||
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Okay. We're going to come to both of you in just a second, but I
|
||
|
|
want to follow this train of thought:
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||
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|
Lyndon Johnson's direct order to YOU, Dr. Crenshaw, to obtain a
|
||
|
|
deathbed confession from Lee Harvey Oswald during an emergency
|
||
|
|
surgery to save his life ....</p>
|
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<p>DR. CRENSHAW:
|
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Yes, this was on that <span class="LOC">Sunday</span>. Obviously, we did not watch the TV.
|
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|
And the head administrator of Parkland called for a free
|
||
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operating team to come to the emergency room. We went there.
|
||
|
|
We were told that Oswald was coming in. At least we were
|
||
|
|
prepared. So immediately, in seven-and-a-half minutes, we got
|
||
|
|
Oswald up to the operating room, and operated on him on the cart.
|
||
|
|
We didn't even place him on an operating table.</p>
|
||
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<p>After all of the attending staff .... some even at home had seen
|
||
|
|
this [the shooting on TV] .... they immediately came. And Dr. Perry
|
||
|
|
initially started the operation. I was an assistant there. So
|
||
|
|
when all of the attending staff arrived, I scrubbed out, was
|
||
|
|
standing there, and looked at this funny looking gentleman over
|
||
|
|
there on the left side. But, of course, Parkland was so wild
|
||
|
|
then. People were in every corner there. This man looked like the
|
||
|
|
comedian, Oliver Hardy, in a small scrub suit. He did have a
|
||
|
|
badge out of his front pocket, and a very large gun out of the
|
||
|
|
back pocket. And I thought: Well gee, it's just something weird
|
||
|
|
again at Parkland. The nurse tapped me on the shoulder then and
|
||
|
|
asked me if I would take the phone call. I went to the operating
|
||
|
|
room supervisor's office, picked up the phone, and there, a voice
|
||
|
|
like thunder said: "This is the President, Lyndon B. Johnson.
|
||
|
|
How is the accused assassin doing?" And I said: "Well, he's
|
||
|
|
critical. He's lost a lot of blood, but he is holding his own."
|
||
|
|
He said: "Would you take a message to the chief operating surgeon?"
|
||
|
|
And I said, obviously: "Yes sir." He said: "There is
|
||
|
|
a man in the room, and I want him to take a deathbed confession
|
||
|
|
as soon as possible."
|
||
|
|
(to be continued)
|
||
|
|
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *</p>
|
||
|
|
<p> If you agree that this story deserves broad public attention, please
|
||
|
|
assist in disseminating it by posting it to other bulletin boards,
|
||
|
|
and by posting hardcopies in public places, both on and off campus.
|
||
|
|
As evidence accrues concerning the corporate mass media's thirty-year
|
||
|
|
cover-up of the corporate CIA's coup d'etat against the People of
|
||
|
|
the United States, the necessity of citizen reportage becomes
|
||
|
|
ever more striking.</p>
|
||
|
|
<p> John DiNardo
|
||
|
|
Article 15989 of alt.conspiracy:
|
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Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk,alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,alt.society.civil-liberty,alt.individualism,alt.censorship,talk.politics.misc,misc.headlines,soc.culture.usa
|
||
|
|
Path: cbnewsl!jad
|
||
|
|
From: jad@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (John DiNardo)
|
||
|
|
Subject: Part X, PACIFICA RADIO Investigates the Murder of President Kennedy
|
||
|
|
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
|
||
|
|
Distribution: <span class="PERSON">North</span> America
|
||
|
|
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 12:03:47 GMT
|
||
|
|
<span class="Message-ID"> 1992Sep28.120347.8405@cbnewsl.cb.att.com</span>
|
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|
Followup-To: alt.conspiracy.jfk
|
||
|
|
Keywords: researchers' revelations about the assassination of President Kennedy
|
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|
Lines: 140</p>
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|
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<p> I made the following transcript from a tape recording
|
||
|
|
of a broadcast by Pacifica Radio Network station
|
||
|
|
WBAI-FM (99.5)
|
||
|
|
505 Eighth Ave., 19th Fl.
|
||
|
|
New York, NY 10018 (212) 279-0707</p>
|
||
|
|
<p>* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
|
||
|
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(continuation)
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DR. CHARLES CRENSHAW:
|
||
|
|
So I went back, I tapped Dr. Shires[?] on his shoulder and he
|
||
|
|
looked at me because everything was bedlam there. And I said:
|
||
|
|
"I've just been talking to the President of the United States,
|
||
|
|
and that man over there is to take a deathbed confession." And we
|
||
|
|
both just kind of looked and knew that, had Oswald survived, he
|
||
|
|
wouldn't have been able to talk for two or three days anyway.</p>
|
||
|
|
<p>Consequently, because of the ravages of hemorrhagic shock,
|
||
|
|
Oswald's heart started failing and ultimately fibrillating. We
|
||
|
|
tried all of the resuscitative measures -- chemical injections
|
||
|
|
and starting with the shocks -- but to no avail. So I then went
|
||
|
|
over and tapped this guy on the shoulder and said: "There'll be
|
||
|
|
no deathbed confession today." So Oliver Hardy melted away again.
|
||
|
|
I don't know who he was. I don't know how he got there. The only
|
||
|
|
interesting part is that I know that the President of the United
|
||
|
|
States knew that he was in the room.</p>
|
||
|
|
<p>GARY NULL:
|
||
|
|
Give us again the astonishing differences between the Dallas
|
||
|
|
medical team's account of the JFK wounds and the findings of the
|
||
|
|
official Bethesda autopsy team.</p>
|
||
|
|
<p>DR. CRENSHAW:
|
||
|
|
The most striking, of course, is the head wound which is right at
|
||
|
|
the back of the head at this occipit. It was in the right-rear
|
||
|
|
portion, in the occipital area. It was about the size of a
|
||
|
|
baseball. In the official pictures of the autopsy, this wound had
|
||
|
|
vanished. It was completely gone. And then the neck wound which
|
||
|
|
had the tracheostomy performed there, which was an inch to an
|
||
|
|
inch-and-a-half -- smooth, sharp edges, EVEN when the
|
||
|
|
tracheostomy tube was removed. This is now gaping, irregular and
|
||
|
|
was three inches in length [in the Bethesda autopsy].</p>
|
||
|
|
<p>GARY NULL:
|
||
|
|
The Parkland Hospital's nervousness about residents treating the
|
||
|
|
President, which resulted in the Warren Commission's failure to
|
||
|
|
obtain crucial statements from the attending medical staff ....
|
||
|
|
Would you give us some background on this please?</p>
|
||
|
|
<p>DR. CRENSHAW:
|
||
|
|
Well, basically, there were thirty visits -- twenty-four of them by
|
||
|
|
the Secret Service and six by the FBI -- in which they talked to
|
||
|
|
different physicians and nurses there. And it's interesting that
|
||
|
|
not ONE of these conversations was given to the Warren Commission.</p>
|
||
|
|
<p>GARY NULL:
|
||
|
|
Not one of thirty?</p>
|
||
|
|
<p>DR.CRENSHAW:
|
||
|
|
Not one!</p>
|
||
|
|
<p>GARY NULL:
|
||
|
|
What does that tell you? What does that imply?</p>
|
||
|
|
<p>DR. CRENSHAW:
|
||
|
|
It would imply that they didn't want to hear any contradictory
|
||
|
|
remarks.</p>
|
||
|
|
<p>GARY NULL:
|
||
|
|
Alright. What is your feeling about Robert Kennedy's involvement
|
||
|
|
in any possible cover-up?</p>
|
||
|
|
<p>DR. CRENSHAW:
|
||
|
|
I've always felt that maybe he wanted to become president so that
|
||
|
|
he could reopen this investigation. Three days before HIS
|
||
|
|
assassination, in a small community college, he announced to
|
||
|
|
everyone that only the power of the Presidency could unravel the
|
||
|
|
mystery of his brother's death. And he was, of course, assassinated
|
||
|
|
then. But immediately, Mrs. Lincoln, John Fitzgerald Kennedy's
|
||
|
|
secretary, called Senator Ted Kennedy and told him of artifacts
|
||
|
|
that the Kennedy Family had in their possession. And he told her
|
||
|
|
not to worry; that everything was taken care of. So the implication
|
||
|
|
has been that the attorney-general or Senator Kennedy, at that
|
||
|
|
time, did have important information that he had sequestered
|
||
|
|
there, so that, if it were at all possible, he could
|
||
|
|
reopen this investigation.</p>
|
||
|
|
<p>GARY NULL:
|
||
|
|
And lastly, Jacqueline Kennedy's immediate reactions and behavior
|
||
|
|
following the shooting?</p>
|
||
|
|
<p>DR. CRENSHAW:
|
||
|
|
I thought Mrs. Kennedy was very regal. She was standing there
|
||
|
|
initially. We asked her to sit outside the room. And then, of
|
||
|
|
course, after his death we did not officially pronounce him dead
|
||
|
|
because of her request for a priest and the last rites. The
|
||
|
|
priest arrived, and she walked into the room after him. We had
|
||
|
|
pulled the sheet up. It was a little short. She stopped at the
|
||
|
|
foot and kissed his great toe, and then went forward and stood
|
||
|
|
there holding his right hand, listening to the last rites.
|
||
|
|
Immediately after that, she took her wedding ring off and placed
|
||
|
|
it on the President's little finger. It would not go past the
|
||
|
|
knuckle, and so when she came in, after they had had the harangue
|
||
|
|
about the autopsy, and before we placed him in the coffin, one of
|
||
|
|
our orderlies there -- I believe it was Aubrey Wright -- helped
|
||
|
|
her get the ring on his small finger.</p>
|
||
|
|
<p>I had read many accounts of how their marriage was just that, in
|
||
|
|
name only. But being in trauma surgery now for thirty years, I
|
||
|
|
have seen grievances and unhappiness and definite examples of
|
||
|
|
removing the facade of what one felt. And I still will always
|
||
|
|
believe that there was no greater example of genuine and intense
|
||
|
|
love for the President than that exhibited by Mrs. Kennedy.</p>
|
||
|
|
<p>GARY NULL:
|
||
|
|
I want to thank you very much, Dr. Crenshaw, for sharing
|
||
|
|
your insights with us in this special report on cover-ups.</p>
|
||
|
|
<p>DR. CHARLES CRENSHAW:
|
||
|
|
Thank you.</p>
|
||
|
|
<p>GARY NULL:
|
||
|
|
Now let's shift gears. I want to go over to two other panelists
|
||
|
|
standing by: Dr. Michio Kaku, Professor of Theoretical Physics
|
||
|
|
here at CUNY, the City University of New York. Would you give us
|
||
|
|
your comments about the physics of the exhibit 399, the single
|
||
|
|
magic bullet?
|
||
|
|
(to be continued)
|
||
|
|
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *</p>
|
||
|
|
<p> If you agree that this story deserves broad public attention, please
|
||
|
|
assist in disseminating it by posting it to other bulletin boards,
|
||
|
|
and by posting hardcopies in public places, both on and off campus.
|
||
|
|
As evidence accrues concerning the corporate mass media's thirty-year
|
||
|
|
cover-up of the corporate CIA's coup d'etat against the People of
|
||
|
|
the United States, the necessity of citizen reportage becomes
|
||
|
|
ever more striking.</p>
|
||
|
|
<p> John DiNardo</p>
|
||
|
|
<p>Article 2881 of alt.conspiracy.jfk:
|
||
|
|
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk,alt.conspiracy,alt.society.civil-liberty,alt.individualism,alt.censorship,talk.politics.misc,misc.headlines,soc.culture.usa,alt.activism
|
||
|
|
Path: cbnewsl!jad
|
||
|
|
From: jad@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (John DiNardo)
|
||
|
|
Subject: Part XI, PACIFICA RADIO Investigates the Murder of President Kennedy
|
||
|
|
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
|
||
|
|
Distribution: <span class="PERSON">North</span> America
|
||
|
|
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 17:01:26 GMT
|
||
|
|
<span class="Message-ID"> 1992Sep30.170126.4338@cbnewsl.cb.att.com</span>
|
||
|
|
Followup-To: alt.conspiracy.jfk
|
||
|
|
Keywords: researchers' revelations about the assassination of President Kennedy
|
||
|
|
Lines: 137</p>
|
||
|
|
<p> I made the following transcript from a tape recording
|
||
|
|
of a broadcast by Pacifica Radio Network station
|
||
|
|
WBAI-FM (99.5)
|
||
|
|
505 Eighth Ave.
|
||
|
|
New York, NY 10018 (212) 279-0707</p>
|
||
|
|
<p>* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
|
||
|
|
(continuation)
|
||
|
|
MICHIO KAKU:
|
||
|
|
I think it's very important when we look at the ballistics tests
|
||
|
|
that show, for example, frame 313 of the <span class="PERSON">Zapruder</span> film which
|
||
|
|
clearly shows the President's head going to the rear, which
|
||
|
|
indicates that a bullet came from the front. Now in the Warren
|
||
|
|
Commission Report, the FBI, of course, had access to the <span class="PERSON">Zapruder</span>
|
||
|
|
film and also to the ballistics -- and what they did was they
|
||
|
|
REVERSED two frames of the <span class="PERSON">Zapruder</span> film to make it look like the
|
||
|
|
Now, there was one bullet -- the famous "magic bullet" -- that
|
||
|
|
zig-zagged and essentially reversed direction about seven times,
|
||
|
|
going through two bodies and winding up on a stretcher with only
|
||
|
|
two percent of its mass disturbed. However, if you take a look at
|
||
|
|
the Mannlicher-Carcano rifle and simply perform ballistics
|
||
|
|
analysis on this, shooting bullets through, for example, animal
|
||
|
|
carcasses, you can show very clearly that when it goes through
|
||
|
|
cartilage and goes through tissue, you get much more than two
|
||
|
|
percent deformation of the bullet. So, in two very egregious
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examples, we have major deficiencies within the Warren
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Commission Report.</p>
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<p>GARY NULL:
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Alright. Approximately what percentage of that bullet should
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have been missing?</p>
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<p>MICHIO KAKU:
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Tests show that you could easily get twenty to thirty percent
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deformation of that bullet. Now I should also mention that NOVA,
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the science program on PBS, did a reenactment wherein they got a
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watermelon, and they shot bullets through the watermelon, and the
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watermelon actually recoiled in the direction of the bullet,
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which violates common sense. The conclusion would be, therefore,
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that it is possible to violate common sense and have the head
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lurch in the wrong direction. However, the tests done on this
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watermelon were of a disembodied head, in the sense that there was
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no neck and there was no body. You could even blow on a
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watermelon with your breath and have the watermelon move.
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In other words, this is an extremely minor effect. It only takes
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place when you have a watermelon suspended without being attached
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to another body. However, tests done on animals by, for example,
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deer hunters and bear hunters have not shown this recoil effect
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where the head lurches in the direction of the bullet. So I think
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that NOVA was grasping for straws, trying to get a relatively
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minor effect to explain a major discrepancy within the ballistics
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[data] of the Warren Commission Report. And the very fact that
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the FBI was forced to deliberately tamper with the <span class="PERSON">Zapruder</span> film
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indicates that the FBI itself was aware of the fact that the body
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was going in the wrong direction.</p>
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<p>GARY NULL:
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That would therefore give us the impression that the FBI
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participated in the cover-up of the assassination of President
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Kennedy.</p>
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<p>MICHIO KAKU:
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That's right. In 1975, the Freedom of Information Act revealed
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some of the minutes of the Warren Commission Report, which stated
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that they were aware of the fact that Oswald was, in fact,
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Agent S179 of the FBI, and that he was an informant of the FBI
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who got something like two or three hundred dollars a month for
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his work, and that this information would be EXTREMELY important.
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But, basically, they failed to follow it up because they couldn't
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put FBI agents under oath and have them lie under oath. And so,
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this report was essentially unverifiable. But three different
|
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sources, including the Attorney-General of the State of Texas,
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stated to the Warren Commission that their understanding was that
|
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Oswald was, indeed, Agent S179 of the FBI. And the conclusion of
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the Warren Commission Report was that this evidence was so HOT --
|
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it was SO damaging that it would have to be kept classified for
|
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fifty years. Fortunately, the Freedom of Information Act revealed
|
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this document in 1975.</p>
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<p>Also, by the way, in 1978 the House Select Committee [on Assassinations]
|
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interviewed the CIA paymaster -- a Mr. Wilcott, James Wilcott --
|
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and he testified under oath that he was, in fact, the paymaster
|
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of the CIA in charge of covert operations against the Soviet Union,
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and that one of his contract employees was, in fact, Lee Harvey Oswald.
|
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So, in other words, Oswald was a bit player and he apparently had
|
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a role to play with the FBI and also the CIA. And both agencies,
|
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|
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of course, had a vested interest in keeping this information out of
|
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the Warren Commission Report.</p>
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<p>GARY NULL:
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I think it's interesting at this point that CIA Director Gates is
|
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|
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now suggesting that the file on Oswald, which he is turning over,
|
||
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will show that Oswald had nothing to do with the Kennedy assassination.
|
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Of course, anyone who would accept for a moment that the CIA is going
|
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to give any information about anything that has not been altered
|
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is extraordinarily naive.</p>
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<p>MICHIO KAKU:
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Right. In fact, in 1973 the CIA destroyed most of the Oswald
|
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file. We know that it was in two large file cabinets -- in fact,
|
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two large file cabinets with four drawers apiece. He had a 201
|
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file, which means that he had a very long history with the CIA,
|
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and in 1973 the CIA destroyed that entire file. So, in other
|
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words, what is going to come out now is basically a fraction of
|
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|
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what was, once upon a time, in the files of the CIA. Now the CIA
|
||
|
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has been questioned about this and they said that this was
|
||
|
|
"routine cleaning" [housekeeping]. So in the "routine cleaning"
|
||
|
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of the files, they destroyed potentially damaging information.
|
||
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We will never know what was in these files. So whatever Gates
|
||
|
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might reveal, at some point, will only be a shadow of what was
|
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actually in there.</p>
|
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<p>GARY NULL:
|
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And CERTAINLY nothing that would implicate the CIA.
|
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|
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Also, is it not the case that the primary person pushing this
|
||
|
|
"single bullet", this "magic bullet" theory is Pennsylvania's
|
||
|
|
Republican Senator Arlen Specter, who also was the Anita Hill basher?</p>
|
||
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<p> [JD: Sorry, but my tape ran out at this point, and
|
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|
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the person who was taping the broadcast for me did not
|
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|
|
immediately flip over the tape. I'm trying to obtain
|
||
|
|
copies of the missing segments of the broadcasts, so that
|
||
|
|
I can incorporate those transcripts into future installments
|
||
|
|
of this series.]</p>
|
||
|
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<p> (to be continued)
|
||
|
|
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *</p>
|
||
|
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<p> If you agree that this story deserves broad public attention, please
|
||
|
|
assist in disseminating it by posting it to other bulletin boards,
|
||
|
|
and by posting hardcopies in public places, both on and off campus.
|
||
|
|
As evidence accrues concerning the corporate mass media's thirty-year
|
||
|
|
cover-up of the corporate CIA's coup d'etat against the People of
|
||
|
|
the United States, the need for citizen reportage becomes
|
||
|
|
ever more urgent.</p>
|
||
|
|
<p> John DiNardo</p>
|
||
|
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<p>Article 2927 of alt.conspiracy.jfk:
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Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk,alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,alt.society.civil-liberty,alt.individualism,alt.censorship,talk.politics.misc,misc.headlines,soc.culture.usa
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Path: cbnewsl!jad
|
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From: jad@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (John DiNardo)
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Subject: Part XII, PACIFICA RADIO Investigates the Murder of President Kennedy
|
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Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
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Distribution: <span class="PERSON">North</span> America
|
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Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 14:58:20 GMT
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||
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<span class="Message-ID"> 1992Oct6.145820.996@cbnewsl.cb.att.com</span>
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Followup-To: alt.conspiracy.jfk
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Keywords: researchers' revelations about the assassination of President Kennedy
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Lines: 174</p>
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<p> I made the following transcript from a tape recording
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||
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of a broadcast by Pacifica Radio Network station
|
||
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WBAI-FM (99.5)
|
||
|
|
505 Eighth Ave., 19th Fl.
|
||
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|
New York, NY 10018 (212) 279-0707</p>
|
||
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|
<p>* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
|
||
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(continuation)
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JOHN DAVIS:
|
||
|
|
Now, first of all, I have to explain myself why I think there was
|
||
|
|
a conspiracy, because the available evidence indicates that
|
||
|
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Kennedy was struck twice by bullets from the front and twice by
|
||
|
|
bullets coming from the rear, and Governor Connally was struck by
|
||
|
|
a bullet coming from the rear that was not the same bullet that
|
||
|
|
hit the President. Therefore, this adds up to anywhere from two
|
||
|
|
to four shooters. Hence, a conspiracy. But evidence that it was a
|
||
|
|
conspiracy goes far beyond an accounting of bullet holes.</p>
|
||
|
|
<p>Let's consider first the motive for an organized crime conspiracy.
|
||
|
|
We have to realize that, for the first time in United States
|
||
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|
history, the executive branch of the Federal Government declared
|
||
|
|
war on organized crime. This had never happened before. For the
|
||
|
|
Kennedy brothers, it was all-out war against the Mob.
|
||
|
|
"I'd like to be remembered as the guy who broke the Mafia", Bobby
|
||
|
|
Kennedy told an associate in 1961, shortly after he took office
|
||
|
|
as attorney-general. In his book, THE ENEMY WITHIN, Robert
|
||
|
|
Kennedy had written: "If we do not attack organized criminals
|
||
|
|
with weapons and techniques as effective as their own, they will
|
||
|
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destroy us." Now, to back up this admonition, one of the first
|
||
|
|
things that Robert Kennedy did, in his assault against organized
|
||
|
|
crime, was the so-called kidnap/deportation of Carlos Marcello
|
||
|
|
on April 4th, 1961. Now this was an unprecedented and arguably
|
||
|
|
illegal act. Kennedy had Marcello snatched off the streets,
|
||
|
|
herded to an awaiting Federal jet, flown to Guatemala, and dumped
|
||
|
|
in a Guatemala City airport. Marcello had complained that he
|
||
|
|
couldn't call his wife, pack any clothes, or cash a check.
|
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|
|
The action put the Mob on notice that Kennedy was serious.
|
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|
|
Upon returning to the U.S. illegally, Marcello swore vengeance
|
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|
|
against the Kennedys on at least three reported occasions. We
|
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|
|
have witnesses for three occasions in which Marcello swore
|
||
|
|
vengeance against the Kennedys.</p>
|
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<p> [JD: I could not understand a few of Davis's words because
|
||
|
|
his voice was overdriving the input of the phone.]</p>
|
||
|
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<p>JOHN DAVIS:
|
||
|
|
Immediately after this episode, Robert Kennedy went after (quote)
|
||
|
|
"friends and associates" of Marcello, Santos Trafficante, [name is
|
||
|
|
unintelligible due to aircraft radio interference], and the
|
||
|
|
mob-led Teamsters' [Union] boss, Jimmy Hoffa. Soon, FBI
|
||
|
|
electronic listening devices began picking up complaints from
|
||
|
|
mobsters all over the country about what Kennedy was doing to
|
||
|
|
them. I'll mention just two of them. They were reported by the
|
||
|
|
House Select Committee on Assassinations in 1979. [Name is
|
||
|
|
unintelligible], a mobster working for the Bruno Family in
|
||
|
|
Philadelphia, was recorded by a bug saying this: "See what
|
||
|
|
Kennedy done? With Kennedy, I should take a knife and stab and
|
||
|
|
kill the f*cker. I mean it. This is true. Honest to God. I hope I
|
||
|
|
get a week's notice. I'll kill. I'll kill, right in the White
|
||
|
|
House. Somebody has got to get rid of this guy."
|
||
|
|
Nicolino Carlente[sp], a Genovese Family caporegine[? - probably
|
||
|
|
means something like "royal head"], two months later was recorded
|
||
|
|
by an FBI bug saying this: "I'd like to hit Kennedy. I'd gladly
|
||
|
|
go to the penitentiary for the rest of my life. Believe me."</p>
|
||
|
|
<p>Well, by the fall of 1962, the Mafia had become desperate. In the
|
||
|
|
summer of '62, Jimmy Hoffa, who of course was totally controlled
|
||
|
|
by the Mafia, confided a plan to assassinate both Kennedy brothers
|
||
|
|
to Louisiana Teamsters official, Edwin Parton. Parton's
|
||
|
|
testimony on this issue was later confirmed by a Louisiana judge.
|
||
|
|
Two months later, a businessman from Las Vegas was present
|
||
|
|
at a farm house in Louisiana when he heard Carlos Marcello
|
||
|
|
threaten to kill President Kennedy; not only threaten, but to
|
||
|
|
outline a plan to kill him in order to neutralize his crusading
|
||
|
|
brother Bobby. Two weeks after this, Marcello's Florida friend
|
||
|
|
and associate, Santos Trafficante -- who was very much involved
|
||
|
|
also in the anti-Castro <span class="NORP">Cuban</span> movement -- was talking to a <span class="NORP">Cuban</span>
|
||
|
|
exile leader, Jose' Alaman[sp] about how Robert Kennedy was
|
||
|
|
persecuting Jimmy Hoffa. "Mark my word", Trafficante told Alaman,
|
||
|
|
"This man Kennedy is in trouble and will get what is coming to
|
||
|
|
him." At this, Alaman took issue with Trafficante and
|
||
|
|
Trafficante replied, "No, Jose', you don't understand me. Kennedy
|
||
|
|
is not going to make it to the election. He is going to be hit."
|
||
|
|
Alaman, incidentally, who doubled as an FBI informant, related
|
||
|
|
this conversation to the FBI and it was eventually related to
|
||
|
|
FBI director J. Edgar Hoover. So Hoover, by this time -- by the
|
||
|
|
fall of 1962 -- must have known that some plot was in the wind.</p>
|
||
|
|
<p>Skipping a few months, we come to the spring of 1963, and an
|
||
|
|
allegation by an FBI informant in New Orleans that seemed to
|
||
|
|
indicate that a plot, a Mafia plot to assassinate Kennedy was in
|
||
|
|
the wind. Eugene Della Colle[sp], who was a bar man in a Marcello
|
||
|
|
controlled bar in New Orleans, told the FBI that in April, 1963,
|
||
|
|
Carlos Marcello's brother Tony had come into the bar one morning
|
||
|
|
to service the slot machines, and said (quote): "There is a price
|
||
|
|
on the President's head and other members of the Kennedy Family.
|
||
|
|
Somebody will kill Kennedy when he comes south."</p>
|
||
|
|
<p>So, in conclusion, Mafia boss Carlos Marcello and his allies in
|
||
|
|
the Mob and in the Teamsters Union had powerful motives to kill
|
||
|
|
Kennedy. We have witnesses who have testified to their planning
|
||
|
|
an assassination attack on the President; associates who
|
||
|
|
apparently had foreknowledge of such an attack, such as Santos
|
||
|
|
Trafficante and the one I just mentioned -- Tony Marcello.
|
||
|
|
So the motive was there.</p>
|
||
|
|
<p>Now, if you want to get into a discussion of means, we can do
|
||
|
|
that. If you want to get into a discussion of how a cover-up was
|
||
|
|
put in place, we can go into that.</p>
|
||
|
|
<p>GARY NULL:
|
||
|
|
Sir, we're going to get into all those things, but unfortunately,
|
||
|
|
we have a terrible, almost inaudible connection on your line.
|
||
|
|
We're going to ask you to hang up so that our engineer can call
|
||
|
|
you back. But I want Jones Harris to stay on. I just want John
|
||
|
|
Davis to hang up because we're going to call you back. I'm sorry
|
||
|
|
for the poor technical quality.</p>
|
||
|
|
<p>Let's switch over to Jones Harris. Welcome to our program Mr.
|
||
|
|
Harris.</p>
|
||
|
|
<p>JONES HARRIS:
|
||
|
|
Hi, Gary. Nice to meet you at long last. I've looked forward to
|
||
|
|
this. Now, I'd just like to make a few comments.</p>
|
||
|
|
<p>I'm nowhere near as informed on the Organized Crime level as John
|
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|
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Davis, who has written an excellent book, that I do recommend to
|
||
|
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people to read, called MAFIA KINGFISH. My point is this. I went
|
||
|
|
to Dallas at the end of '63 and then spent a lot of '64 there.
|
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|
|
I interviewed a great many people: police, lawyers who knew
|
||
|
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police, and so forth. It was made very clear to me that Jack Ruby
|
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|
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was a member of Organized Crime, that he had been so for a long
|
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|
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time; that he held a very important position for anybody to hold
|
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|
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in any major American city. And that is, he was one of the chief
|
||
|
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suborners of all Dallas police who would do the bidding of Organized
|
||
|
|
Crime. He was the payoff man, which meant that he had a LOT of
|
||
|
|
important information and a lot of important knowledge. Anybody
|
||
|
|
who knows the case knows the ease with which he circulated throughout
|
||
|
|
those days, including getting in [into the Dallas courthouse] in
|
||
|
|
order to kill Oswald. I don't think there's any doubt that Jack Ruby
|
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|
|
worked directly under a man named Joe Civella[sp], who was the
|
||
|
|
Organized Crime boss in Dallas, who directly, himself, worked under
|
||
|
|
the far more important figure, Carlos Marcello.</p>
|
||
|
|
<p>I'd like to tell your audience, Gary, that the idea of a conspiracy
|
||
|
|
does not begin with a lot of researchers and people like myself,
|
||
|
|
some of whom wrote books, some of whom didn't. It begins within
|
||
|
|
the Warren Commission itself. I think there are not many people who
|
||
|
|
understood that one of the top members of the Commission, Senator
|
||
|
|
Richard Russell [of Georgia] REFUSED TO SIGN the Warren Commission
|
||
|
|
[Report] at the end when it was finished. He had felt all along
|
||
|
|
that it was a conspiracy. He had called Marina Oswald, from whom
|
||
|
|
eighty percent of the stuff against Lee Oswald came .... he had
|
||
|
|
called her a liar and said that she had lied specifically to the
|
||
|
|
Commission on six different occasions. He then had to sit down
|
||
|
|
with Warren and Johnson, and he finally submitted to signing the
|
||
|
|
thing, though he changed the preamble a little bit. He then told me,
|
||
|
|
and told any number of interviewers and close friends for the rest
|
||
|
|
of his days, that he was UTTERLY convinced that this thing was a
|
||
|
|
conspiracy: the killing of Kennedy.
|
||
|
|
(to be continued)
|
||
|
|
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *</p>
|
||
|
|
<p> If you agree that this story deserves broad public attention, please
|
||
|
|
assist in disseminating it by posting it to other bulletin boards,
|
||
|
|
and by posting hardcopies in public places, both on and off campus.
|
||
|
|
As evidence accrues concerning the corporate mass media's thirty-year
|
||
|
|
cover-up of the corporate CIA's coup d'etat against the People of
|
||
|
|
the United States, the need for citizen reportage becomes
|
||
|
|
ever more striking.</p>
|
||
|
|
<p> John DiNardo</p>
|
||
|
|
<p>Article 2947 of alt.conspiracy.jfk:
|
||
|
|
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk,alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,alt.society.civil-liberty,alt.individualism,alt.censorship,talk.politics.misc,misc.headlines,soc.culture.usa
|
||
|
|
Path: cbnewsl!jad
|
||
|
|
From: jad@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (John DiNardo)
|
||
|
|
Subject: Part XIII, PACIFICA RADIO Investigates the Murder of President Kennedy
|
||
|
|
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
|
||
|
|
Distribution: <span class="PERSON">North</span> America
|
||
|
|
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 20:08:17 GMT
|
||
|
|
<span class="Message-ID"> 1992Oct7.200817.23480@cbnewsl.cb.att.com</span>
|
||
|
|
Followup-To: alt.conspiracy.jfk
|
||
|
|
Keywords: researchers' revelations about the assassination of President Kennedy
|
||
|
|
Lines: 188</p>
|
||
|
|
<p> I made the following transcript from a tape recording
|
||
|
|
of a broadcast by Pacifica Radio Network station
|
||
|
|
WBAI-FM (99.5)
|
||
|
|
505 Eighth Ave., 19th Fl.
|
||
|
|
New York, NY 10018 (212) 279-0707</p>
|
||
|
|
<p>* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
|
||
|
|
(continuation)
|
||
|
|
JONES HARRIS:
|
||
|
|
When I was fortunate enough again to interview John McCloy some
|
||
|
|
years before he died, and sat with him and his wife in his home
|
||
|
|
in Connecticut, and we talked things over, he said to me as I was
|
||
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leaving: "Mr. Harris, we realized afterwards that there were many
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things that were never told to us." Now this was important,
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coming from John McCloy because John McCloy had been priveleged
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to deal in intelligence matters for the United States from 1917
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on. I thought that that was an important admission. I believe
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that Organized Crime played a very important role in the Kennedy
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assassination, Gary, but I do not think that is the total story.
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And one of the reasons I think it's not the total story is the
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very thing that John Davis mentioned. I do not believe that
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Trafficante would have said to a non-Mob person that "Kennedy was
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going to be hit" if Organized Crime themselves were sending in
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the killers. I do not believe that he would then have made that
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comment to a non-Organized Crime person. I do believe that what
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Organized crime did was ..... this crime could have taken place
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in Miami. It could have taken place in Dallas. It was a moveable
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feat. It could have taken place in Chicago. But wherever it was
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going to take place, Organized Crime's contacts with those police
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figures who were corrupt were going to be very important to
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making the thing come out the right way. And there is no question
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that in the Dallas area, that man was Jack Ruby.</p>
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<p>GARY NULL:
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Alright. We're going to pause and reflect on all of this, put
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this into perspective, and recapitulate some of the things that
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John Davis has suggested.
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John, are you back on the line?</p>
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<p>JOHN DAVIS:
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Yes, I am.</p>
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<p>GARY NULL:
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I'd also like to introduce Gaeton Fonzi. Welcome to our program,
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Mr. Fonzi.</p>
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<p>GAETON FONZI:
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Thank you.</p>
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<p>GARY NULL:
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We're going to come to you in just a moment because you are a
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highly respected investigator and journalist. You were an
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investigator for the House Select Committee on Assassinations.
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And we're going to get your perspective. </p>
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<p>Again, it is not our intention to suggest that one group, one
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individual alone [is guilty], but rather, we're looking at all of
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the pieces and saying: What evidence do we have that was not and
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has not been made the primary focus of either the Warren
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Commission or the general news media presentation in taking it to
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a level that, up to this point, simply has not existed. And also,
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we're going to deal with some of the inconsistencies that have
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occurred and some of the theories that have gone on. So we're
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going to come to these issues in just a moment.</p>
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<p>Now, because this is a non-commercial public access station, WBAI,
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and as a part of the overall Pacifica Network throughout the
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United States, several times a year we have to take a couple of
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weeks and just raise some funds so that the station can continue,
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so that we can keep ourselves commercial-free.</p>
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<p>For twenty-seven years, as an award-winnning investigative
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journalist who has broken more stories -- over two hundred and
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seventy-three major stories in the areas of medicine, the
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environment, consumer health issues, I have always had to start
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off with the problem of not just convincing the American Public
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that there is something wrong with something that they were
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believing in and trusting in, but I also had to go up against the
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very forces who have enormous economic power and who have control
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over the media. For instance, just two days ago, the New York
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Times, in an editorial, started to talk about the fact that there
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was a challenge against the theory that the HIV virus is the
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single cause of AIDS. Where was the New York Times eight years
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ago when this information was readily available? And where was
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Time Magazine twenty-five years ago talking about vitamins?
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NOW they say that vitamins help to prevent diseases like cancer.
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Yes, vitamins do. But the evidence has been there all along. And
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it hasn't been hidden. The evidence has been there that the HIV
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virus is not the single cause of AIDS. It could not POSSIBLY be
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the single cause of AIDS. There's no science to prove that, by
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itself, it causes anything. And yet, why is it that no one has
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written about it? Today's Amsterdam News writes about it.</p>
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<p>The problem is that you have three things to contend with.
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First, is convincing someone that something they thought was true
|
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is not. Secondly, trying to deal with the idea that if you're
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going to challenge the Status Quo -- as we're challenging the
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Status Quo on the Kennedy Assassination -- that means you're
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challenging something that people believe in almost as much as
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they believe in themselves, or their parents, or their whole
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life. And that is: orthodoxy; that is: authority. So it takes a
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great deal of effort for the person to even be open to an idea
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that challenges the prevailing view. And then, thirdly, is to see
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whether or not they believe you enough to even look at the
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evidence you have, and then try it. Why do you think, for
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instance, just now we changed the Basic Four Food Group, which
|
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was a SCAM. It was a fraud. It was unscientific. It was an
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economic ploy. And it killed people by the hundreds of thousands
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and millions because they were saturating their bodies and their
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arteries with cholesterol and fats. And it causes heart disease
|
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and cancer. Well now we know that. Alright? That's known.
|
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BUT, we knew that all along. Certain people knew it. Just like
|
||
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my guests today .... they have information that they've had for a
|
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long time. Mr. Harris has had information for a long time. He had
|
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information in 1978 that nobody wanted to pay attention to.
|
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"Nobody", meaning mainstream media, and mainstream belief
|
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systems. But it didn't matter. He has continued. We have a forum.
|
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It's a small forum, but we have a forum for it.</p>
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<p>AMY GOODMAN:
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For a contribution of fifty dollars, you support Gary Null
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here every weekday, and you support WBAI, a commercial-free radio
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station that would dare to put Gary Null on the air as much as we
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do. We don't have corporate sponsors. We don't have drug companies
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who say: "We don't want our dogma, our ideology challenged."
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Of course, they wouldn't say that on the air, but they would say
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it to management. But we are corporate-free. We are commercial-free.
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And that's what makes us important. That's what enables us to
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bring you Gary Null. If that is a philosophy that is important to
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you, (212) 279-3400 is the number to call and support WBAI.</p>
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<p>GARY NULL:
|
||
|
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Right now, we're in the midst of a special twenty-five-part
|
||
|
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investigation on conspiracies, cover-ups and hidden agendas.
|
||
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We're looking at life in a way that we've never been told existed.</p>
|
||
|
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<p>On the conference phone we now have Jones Harris, we have Gaeton
|
||
|
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Fonzi, and we also have John Davis. I'd like to come back to you
|
||
|
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at this time, Mr. Harris. If you would please continue talking
|
||
|
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about what we now know about the Warren Commission and the
|
||
|
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information that it chose to accept and review, and that which it
|
||
|
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chose to EXCLUDE, including individuals whose testimony or
|
||
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evidence it chose not to use, and that information that it chose
|
||
|
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to use, which now in retrospect, anyone can see should not have
|
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|
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been included.</p>
|
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<p>JONES HARRIS:
|
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Gary, if I may, let me answer your question in a slightly broader
|
||
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way than you're suggesting because the limits of your question
|
||
|
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would better go to Mr. Fonzi or to John Davis.</p>
|
||
|
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<p>But let me say this to the public that is interested in this.
|
||
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Not only did the Warren Commission go well out of its way not to
|
||
|
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explore the Organized Crime end of this thing. Sad to say, he's a
|
||
|
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man whom I knew well -- and I know that he's dying at this moment
|
||
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-- but I have to say that Jim Garrison is also a man who did
|
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|
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everything he could (and I worked for him down there) to shield
|
||
|
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the Organized Crime community. I'll give you one example of that,
|
||
|
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if this might be of interest to you.</p>
|
||
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<p>The first day I went down to work for him (and I like him very
|
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much. A very personable fellow), he said: "Jones, what's the
|
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|
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first thing you'd like to do?" And I raised the name of Carlos
|
||
|
|
Marcello. And this great big six-foot-seven giant looked down at
|
||
|
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me and he said: "Well Jones, of course, Carlos used to be in
|
||
|
|
Organized Crime, but he's just a businessman now." And there was
|
||
|
|
a pause, and then Garrison said to me: "Jones, you and I can have
|
||
|
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lunch with Carlos whenever you want."
|
||
|
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Now this was one of the first things that I found worrying when I
|
||
|
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started to work down there.
|
||
|
|
(to be continued)
|
||
|
|
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *</p>
|
||
|
|
<p> If you agree that this story deserves broad public attention, please
|
||
|
|
assist in disseminating it by posting it to other bulletin boards,
|
||
|
|
and by posting hardcopies in public places, both on and off campus.
|
||
|
|
As evidence accrues concerning the corporate mass media's thirty-year
|
||
|
|
cover-up of the corporate CIA's coup d'etat against the People of
|
||
|
|
the United States, the need for citizen reportage becomes
|
||
|
|
ever more striking.</p>
|
||
|
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<p> John DiNardo</p>
|
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|
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<p>Article 11001 of alt.censorship:
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Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk,alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,alt.society.civil-liberty,alt.individualism,alt.censorship,talk.politics.misc,misc.headlines,soc.culture.usa
|
||
|
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Path: cbnewsl!jad
|
||
|
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From: jad@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (John DiNardo)
|
||
|
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Subject: Part XIV(corrected), PACIFICA RADIO Investigates the Murder of Kennedy
|
||
|
|
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
|
||
|
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Distribution: <span class="PERSON">North</span> America
|
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Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 12:54:34 GMT
|
||
|
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<span class="Message-ID"> 1992Oct12.125434.10654@cbnewsl.cb.att.com</span>
|
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|
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Followup-To: alt.conspiracy.jfk
|
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|
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Keywords: researchers' revelations about the assassination of President Kennedy
|
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Lines: 149</p>
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<p>CORRECTED:
|
||
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I made the following transcript from a tape recording
|
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|
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of a broadcast by Pacifica Radio Network station
|
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|
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WBAI-FM (99.5)
|
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505 Eighth Ave., 19th Fl.
|
||
|
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New York, NY 10018 (212) 279-0707</p>
|
||
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<p>* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
|
||
|
|
(continuation)
|
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|
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JONES HARRIS:
|
||
|
|
So, my point here is this: that the decision not to look very firmly
|
||
|
|
at Organized Crime starts almost from the beginning. It starts with
|
||
|
|
the Dallas Police. It starts with the Bureau [the FBI]. It starts
|
||
|
|
with the Warren Commission. It continues to Garrison, and I must
|
||
|
|
say that even though the Blakey Committee finally did come through
|
||
|
|
and say: "Yes, it looks as though there might have been involvement",
|
||
|
|
considering all the time that they spent, I found that their
|
||
|
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information was awful awful thin.</p>
|
||
|
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<p>GARY NULL:
|
||
|
|
Alright. Let's explore that in some depth now, and let's go over
|
||
|
|
to Mr. Fonzi. Please hold on, Mr. Harris. Mr. Fonzi, thank you very
|
||
|
|
much for being with us. Let's explore a few things. Now you were an
|
||
|
|
investigator with the House Select Committee on Assassinations. Did
|
||
|
|
you find that there was any attempt by either the FBI or the CIA or
|
||
|
|
other leading law enforcement agencies or the attorney-general's
|
||
|
|
office, after [Robert] Kennedy, to downplay or to disengage the
|
||
|
|
interest of an investigation of Organized Crime in this?</p>
|
||
|
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<p>GAETON FONZI:
|
||
|
|
Well that was not actually one of my areas of investigation. There
|
||
|
|
was, on the part of all the agencies, I believe, not a total spirit
|
||
|
|
of cooperation. And, of course, when it came to the CIA, that was
|
||
|
|
even more so.</p>
|
||
|
|
<p>Let me go back to something that John Davis said earlier on, as far
|
||
|
|
as there being no concrete evidence of CIA involvement. There was
|
||
|
|
no concrete evidence of anyone's involvement. There was no concrete
|
||
|
|
evidence of Organized Crime's involvement. There was no concrete
|
||
|
|
evidence of anti-Castro <span class="NORP">Cuban</span> involvement or pro-Castro <span class="NORP">Cuban</span>
|
||
|
|
involvement. There was no concrete evidence of any type of
|
||
|
|
involvement. There was, I believe, no concrete evidence of Lee
|
||
|
|
Harvey Oswald's involvement in the assassination.</p>
|
||
|
|
<p>GARY NULL:
|
||
|
|
Are you suggesting that Kennedy shot himself?</p>
|
||
|
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<p>GAETON FONZI:
|
||
|
|
What I'm suggesting is that after all these years, there has not
|
||
|
|
been an adequate investigation. There was not an adequate
|
||
|
|
investigation on the part of the Warren Commission, and there
|
||
|
|
wasn't one on the part of the House Select Committee on
|
||
|
|
Assassinations.</p>
|
||
|
|
<p>GARY NULL:
|
||
|
|
But why? There had to have been a reason.</p>
|
||
|
|
<p>GAETON FONZI:
|
||
|
|
Well, certainly from my own experience with the House Select
|
||
|
|
Committee, I know the reason was strictly political. When Bob
|
||
|
|
Blakey, the second chief counsel after the original chief counsel
|
||
|
|
Richard Sprague was fired for wanting to conduct a murder
|
||
|
|
investigation, a unique approach to the Kennedy Assassination, the
|
||
|
|
new chief cousel Bob Blakey came in and told his staff this at the
|
||
|
|
first meeting: "We have two priorities. Our first priority is to
|
||
|
|
get a report done in time. Our second priority is to get a report
|
||
|
|
done within our financial restrictions." And with those priorities
|
||
|
|
we set out to do exactly that, limiting, of course, many many areas
|
||
|
|
of investigation.</p>
|
||
|
|
<p>Let me just go on for a minute in terms of some of the specifics
|
||
|
|
that both John Davis and Jones Harris were talking about. I agree
|
||
|
|
that Organized Crime probably had a part in the assassination
|
||
|
|
because of Ruby's links to Organized Crime. But I think, in trying
|
||
|
|
to determine any kind of strategic planning here, you've got to
|
||
|
|
account for Oswald and Oswald's movements. You've got to account
|
||
|
|
for Oswald's control. And when Senator Richard Schweiker, who headed
|
||
|
|
the Senate Select Subcommittee on the [John] Kennedy Assassination
|
||
|
|
under the [Senator Frank] Church Select Committee on Intelligence
|
||
|
|
..... when he first got into investigating the Kennedy Assassination,
|
||
|
|
his immediate conclusion, after digging into it, was that "Oswald
|
||
|
|
had", as Schweiker put it, "the fingerprints of Intelligence all
|
||
|
|
over his activities." So I think that, unless you crank in the
|
||
|
|
control of Oswald, any theory about the Kennedy Assassination just
|
||
|
|
isn't complete.</p>
|
||
|
|
<p>GARY NULL:
|
||
|
|
Alright. Can you take us into an understanding of Alpha 66
|
||
|
|
and Antonio Visiana?</p>
|
||
|
|
<p>GAETON FONZI:
|
||
|
|
Yes, because that goes into .... when you talk about means and
|
||
|
|
motivation, I think you can find the means and motivation, not only
|
||
|
|
on the part of Organized Crime, but on the part of the anti-Castro
|
||
|
|
<span class="NORP">Cubans</span> or on the part of the intelligence agencies, and in almost
|
||
|
|
any direction you look. But what I feel is the strongest is the
|
||
|
|
overall picture of the intelligence agencies' connections to the
|
||
|
|
anti-Castro <span class="NORP">Cubans</span>, and their motivation. And that goes back to the
|
||
|
|
period following the Bay of Pigs. Kennedy was given a lot of blame
|
||
|
|
for the failure of the Bay of Pigs [Invasion], but it wasn't his
|
||
|
|
fault. The Bay of Pigs was planned -- including the air strikes --
|
||
|
|
by the [Central Intelligence] Agency before Kennedy became
|
||
|
|
president. And he was not even told about the air strikes.
|
||
|
|
Subsequently, as a result of that failure, Kennedy was very angry,
|
||
|
|
both at Castro and at the Intelligence Agency. And he sent his
|
||
|
|
brother Bobby to actually begin taking over the Agency, and set up
|
||
|
|
a secret war against Castro that was based out of this Florida area
|
||
|
|
here. And over the course of the years this became the largest CIA
|
||
|
|
operation outside of Langley [Virginia, CIA Headquarters]. It was
|
||
|
|
called the Jam Wave Station and it conducted a very very effective
|
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|
|
operation against Castro almost on a daily and nightly basis.
|
||
|
|
These training camps, or these guerilla camps, were set up by the
|
||
|
|
Agency. They were controlled by Agency personnel using anti-Castro
|
||
|
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<span class="NORP">Cubans</span> as the operatives. And their spirit and motivation became
|
||
|
|
blended with the anti-Castro <span class="NORP">Cubans</span>' goals. </p>
|
||
|
|
<p>Come the <span class="NORP">Cuban</span> Missile Crisis when Kennedy realized that, as a
|
||
|
|
result of this very effective war against Castro, Castro permitted
|
||
|
|
the <span class="NORP">Russian</span> missiles to be brought into Cuba. Kennedy realized that
|
||
|
|
he had brought the world to the brink of a nuclear disaster. So he
|
||
|
|
made arrangements with [Soviet Premier] Kruschev to stop the secret
|
||
|
|
war and to close down these guerilla bases in return for the
|
||
|
|
withdrawal of the missiles.</p>
|
||
|
|
<p>When he did that, the guerilla bases continued operating against
|
||
|
|
-- in defiance -- of the President's orders. As a result of that,
|
||
|
|
Kennedy was forced to use other agencies -- the Navy, the Coast
|
||
|
|
Guard and other military agencies -- to close down these camps.
|
||
|
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And in the process, he arrested some of these anti-Castro <span class="NORP">Cubans</span>
|
||
|
|
whom the Government had been supporting. This was reason enough for
|
||
|
|
the anti-Castro <span class="NORP">Cubans</span> and their Intelligence [Agency] partners to
|
||
|
|
consider Kennedy a traitor. And as a matter of fact, during the
|
||
|
|
height of delicate negotiations with Kruschev, it was Alpha 66, one
|
||
|
|
of the most militant anti-Castro groups, that tried to sink <span class="NORP">Russian</span>
|
||
|
|
ships in Havana Harbor, again defying Kennedy's orders.
|
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|
|
(to be continued)
|
||
|
|
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *</p>
|
||
|
|
<p> If you agree that this story deserves broad public attention, please
|
||
|
|
assist in disseminating it by posting it to other bulletin boards,
|
||
|
|
and by posting hardcopies in public places, both on and off campus.
|
||
|
|
As evidence accrues concerning the corporate mass media's thirty-year
|
||
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cover-up of the corporate CIA's coup d'etat against the People of
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the United States, the need for citizen reportage becomes
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ever more striking.</p>
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<p> John DiNardo</p>
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<p>Article 2990 of alt.conspiracy.jfk:
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Path: cbnewsl!jad
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From: jad@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (John DiNardo)
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Subject: Part XV, PACIFICA RADIO Investigates the Murder of President Kennedy
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Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
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Distribution: <span class="PERSON">North</span> America
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Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 21:23:31 GMT
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<span class="Message-ID"> 1992Oct12.212331.1686@cbnewsl.cb.att.com</span>
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Followup-To: alt.conspiracy
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Keywords: researchers' revelations about the assassination of President Kennedy
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<p> I made the following transcript from a tape recording
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of a broadcast by Pacifica Radio Network station
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WBAI-FM (99.5)
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505 Eighth Ave., 19th Fl.
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New York, NY 10018 (212) 279-0707</p>
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<p>* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
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(continuation)
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GAETON FONZI:
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When I was working for Senator Schweiker, on the Senate Select
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Committee on Intelligence, I developed a witness in Miami named
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Antonio Visiana. He was a former accountant in Cuba who had founded
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Alpha 66. As I said, it was Alpha 66 that was one of the anti-Castro
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<span class="NORP">Cuban</span> groups that actually tried to blow up the <span class="NORP">Russian</span> ships in
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Havana Harbor, and blow apart Kennedy's deal with Kruschev. Visiana
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told me that he was recruited in Havana in 1961 by an American named
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Maurice Bishop. Bishop was the secret behind-the-scenes strategic
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director of everything that he did with Alpha 66.
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He worked with Bishop from 1961 until 1973, and during that period
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of time, he worked with him on three attempts to assassinate Fidel
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Castro. These were operations planned by Bishop who was obviously
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an intelligence operative. He met with Bishop several times a year
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and whenever it became necessary to plan strategy.
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In September of 1963, he made arrangements to meet with Bishop in
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the lobby of an office building in Dallas. That was nothing new
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because he had met Bishop a number of times in Dallas. When Visiana
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arrived, Bishop was talking to a young man. When President Kennedy
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was assassinated, Visiana immediately recognized Lee Harvey Oswald
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as that young man. I thought that this was tremendously important;
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perhaps the single most significant piece of new evidence since the
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Warren Commission investigation, because Bishop was obviously CIA.
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And the CIA had repeatedly denied any connection or contact with
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Oswald. After we got Visiana to develop a sketch of Bishop, it was
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Senator Schweiker who identified Bishop as being David Atlee Phillips,
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a CIA officer who had risen to one of the highest ranks in the
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Agency as the Chief of the Western Hemisphere Division. And we
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discovered that Phillips was an undercover agent in Havana during
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the period in which Visiana said that he had met Bishop. In 1963,
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Phillips was Chief of Covert Operations in Mexico City, and he was
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subsequently responsible for all the disinformation that the CIA
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had fed the Warren Commission about Oswald's visits there.</p>
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<p>This was one of the areas -- the link between David Atlee Phillips
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and Maurice Bishop -- that I feel the House Select Committee didn't
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want to go into because it would have opened too many doors, too
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many important doors. And every one of those doors was marked "CIA".</p>
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<p>GARY NULL:
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Alright. Now, if that is the case, then let's summarize here.
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What we have is a group of individuals with intelligence community
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associations: CIA. We also have a few people who were ex-FBI,
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including one who would play a very important role, and who was
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also very familiar with Alpha 66. Then we had Guy Bannister.
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Now I don't believe that it was possible for Guy Bannister and
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David Ferrie ..... who both were known to Alpha 66 and the people
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[thereunto] associated, and who also were familiar with what had
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gone on with some attempted assassinations of Kennedy (with CIA
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involvement). I believe that that had to have been a sub-contract to
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the Mob. And when you look at what Johnny Roselli was testifying
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about in secret, and then he was killed just a short time after
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that, then you start to bring in Sam Giancana and Santos Trafficante,
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the Mob boss of Tampa. And you start showing the connection -- that
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it wasn't just possibly the Mob, and it wasn't just the intelligence
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community. It was a marriage of the two.</p>
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<p>Still, if you look at the precision of the assassination -- and we
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have new information about that assassination that we're going to
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be revealing for the first time anywhere, in another week or so --
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it could not have been done unless people were very very SKILLED in
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hits.</p>
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<p> [JD: The tape ran out here. I'll try to obtain a copy of the
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missing remainder of the broadcast, but for now, let's resume
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with the next day's broadcast. Here again, I missed some of
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the beginning.]</p>
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<p>GARY NULL:
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..... ended up being there when it arrived in Bethdesda. And also,
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(a very important piece of evidence) the fact that there were three
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separate caskets that entered that hospital .....</p>
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<p>DAVID LIFTON:
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I said two.</p>
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<p>GARY NULL:
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Two. Well, also there was a circumstance of the same one being
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seen twice: the bronze casket.</p>
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<p>DAVID LIFTON:
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Separate entries of two caskets. That's correct, according to
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the evidence.</p>
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<p>GARY NULL:
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But the public was led to believe that there was only one casket:
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the casket that the President's body was put in in Dallas, arriving
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at Bethdesda Naval Hospital hours later, a routine autopsy being
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performed. And that was the end of the story. That's what the
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Warren Commission was told. That's what we have been led to
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believe.</p>
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<p>In point of fact, another casket, which actually contained the body
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of the President, arrived. Give us the circumstances surrounding
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the arrival of that casket. What witnesses were there to acknowledge
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that another casket had arrived -- that it was not the bronze
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casket -- that the President's body was not the way that it was
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when it left Dallas?</p>
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<p>DAVID LIFTON:
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Now, these are two separate issues you're addressing here. One is
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the condition of the body, and the other is the issue of multiple
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caskets. So which would you like me to address first?</p>
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<p>GARY NULL:
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Begin with the different caskets.</p>
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<p>DAVID LIFTON:
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Okay. What I was able to show in BEST EVIDENCE (and I obtained
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reports which had not been examined. In fact, they're not even in
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the National Archives, as far as the Warren Commission investigation
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goes) is the report of the military casket team. In that casket
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team report (and I interviewed the men who were on the casket team)
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..... Let's make sure we understand what the casket team is. These
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are the pall bearers, the honor guard that met Air Force One when
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it arrived on the night of November 22nd at Andrews Air Force Base.
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This is a multi-service casket team consisting of Navy, Air Force,
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Army and Coast Guard, and headed by a man named Lieutenant Samuel
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Byrd who subsequently died of wounds incurred in Vietnam.</p>
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<p>These men described to me (in telephone interviews and, in one
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case, in an in-person interview in the year 1967. And it's hard
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to believe that it was so long ago: twenty-five years ago) what
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occurred at the front of Bethesda Naval Hospital when the Navy
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ambulance pulled up. That ambulance pulled up and they tried to
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follow that ambulance from seven o'clock when it arrived at the
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front of Bethesda until eight o'clock when they finally brought the
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coffin in. There is an hour, sort of a missing time in there. Now
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we can quibble over whether it's forty-five minutes, thirty-five
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minutes. But there's a serious incident in there where they attempt
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to follow the Navy ambulance, lose the ambulance, and are told by
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their superiors that they have followed the decoy. There is a decoy
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ambulance. NONE of this made it into the Warren Commission Report.
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It's ALL on my telephone interview tapes. And the written report
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says that they brought the big casket, which we all saw off-loaded
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on TV, and the one that is supposed to contain the body .... they
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brought that in at eight o'clock. That is their official written
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report dated December (oh, I don't know) fifth or tenth, 1963.
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(to be continued)
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* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *</p>
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<p> If you agree that this story deserves broad public attention, please
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assist in disseminating it by posting it to other bulletin boards,
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and by posting hardcopies in public places, both on and off campus.
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As evidence accrues concerning the corporate mass media's thirty-year
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cover-up of the corporate CIA's coup d'etat against the People of
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the United States, the need for citizen reportage becomes
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ever more striking.</p>
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<p> John DiNardo</p>
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<p>Article 16516 of alt.conspiracy:
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Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk,alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,alt.society.civil-liberty,alt.individualism,alt.censorship,talk.politics.misc,misc.headlines,soc.culture.usa
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Path: cbnewsl!jad
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From: jad@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (John DiNardo)
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Subject: Part XVI, PACIFICA RADIO Investigates the Murder of President Kennedy
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Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
|
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Distribution: <span class="PERSON">North</span> America
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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 16:04:32 GMT
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<span class="Message-ID"> 1992Oct16.160432.29973@cbnewsl.cb.att.com</span>
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Followup-To: alt.conspiracy.jfk
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Keywords: researchers' revelations about the assassination of President Kennedy
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Lines: 145</p>
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<p> I made the following transcript from a tape recording
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of a broadcast by Pacifica Radio Network station
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WBAI-FM (99.5)
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505 Eighth Ave., 19th Fl.
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New York, NY 10018 (212) 279-0707</p>
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<p>* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
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(continuation)
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DAVID LIFTON:
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Now, contrary to that evidence, I actually located the witnesses
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who were at the back of the hospital, and who participated in
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off-loading the vehicle and the casket in which the body actually
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was in. And that was a black hearse which arrived at about ten
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minutes 'til seven, Eastern Time. That black hearse had two men in
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O.R. smocks and a group of civilians. A shipping casket was brought
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out of that hearse. Dennis David, who is in Chapter 25 of my book,
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described the scene of his men off-loading that casket. Furthermore,
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I have documentary evidence, which is in my book (it's actually at
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the Gerald Ford Library now), that the arrival occurred at 6:50,
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apparently. This is the shipping casket. It was brought into the
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hospital. That shipping casket was opened by Paul O'Connor who was
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the medical technician at Bethesda Naval Hospital. Inside that
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shipping casket, according to O'Connor, the President's body was in
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a body bag. He unzipped the body bag. That statement was accepted
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and published by the House Select Committee: the fact that he
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opened the President's body bag; that the body was in a body bag.
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That's the information that the body did not arrive in the same
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casket that it left Dallas in, even though, of course, the big
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casket arrives at the front of the hospital.</p>
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<p>Now, it so happens that the big casket enters twice: once at eight
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o'clock, as I've just described in the casket scene. However, it
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also enters at 7:14. That casket entry is documented in FBI
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documents provided by FBI agents Seibert and O'Neill. So we have
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three casket entries: the one in the shipping casket at 6:50 when,
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apparently, the body arrived. Then there's this covert entry of the
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big casket while the casket team is chasing around looking for it.
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And that's apparently when the body was put back into the big
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casket so that they could have an official casket opening at 8:00.</p>
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<p>This hocus-pocus is documented. I think any historian has to accept
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the fact that there are three documented entries. One can argue and
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say that it's all a matter of a mix-up of the paperwork. I think
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that that is highly unlikely in view of the other part of my case
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which involves actual alterations to the body. That's a separate
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issue. But on the area of the chain-of-possession, I want to tell
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you that when this material was run on San Francisco TV station
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KRON-TV, in a documentary in which I was a consultant, narrated by
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Sylvia Chase and produced by Stanhope Gould, Stanhope said to the
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San Francisco papers (and I was very pleased with this), he says:</p>
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<p> "David Lifton has courtroom evidence that the body did not make an
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uninterrupted journey from Dallas to Bethesda. Something happened.
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He interviewed these witnesses personally, on camera. He sat with
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them for hours in restaurants. They are credible." </p>
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<p>And unless one believes in some crazy theory of Maxwell's demons,
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and that reality went haywire that night, as it is supposed to have
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gone haywire in Dealey Plaza that afternoon, with all kinds of
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non-physical things occurring; you know, the head going the wrong way
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on the <span class="PERSON">Zapruder</span> Film, or witnesses not understanding where the shots
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came from ..... This is another episode at Bethesda that night.
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And I say that what we are witnessing is, in fact, an interruption in
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the chain-of-possession. A disguise was in force. The decoy ambulance
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business smells. And something happened that night. Now, in my book
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I try to explain what that something is. But focusing just on the
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microscopic here, something happened. There are three documented
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entries of two caskets. </p>
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<p>GARY NULL:
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Okay. Now let's go! What do you think happened, and how is it
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significant to the conspiracy concept?</p>
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<p>DAVID LIFTON:
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Okay. In what I am now going to say, I'm not addressing the autopsy
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X-rays and photographs. I am addressing the descriptions of the
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body as recorded in the official documentation in the Bethesda
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autopsy report and testimony. Okay? Because the autopsy photos and
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X-rays are another issue -- and an important one -- and a separate
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issue. But to avoid confusion (on a radio program we do not have
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visual aids), what I'm going to say to you is that the legal record
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(and one of the accomplishments of my book was to demonstrate
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that the Bethesda medical record, based on the descriptions of the
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head wound, for example, is different from the Dallas medical
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record), the Dallas record described a 35 square centimeter hole
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(wound) in the back right-rear of the President's head, with a flap
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of scalp connected with that hole at the back -- a wound at the
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right-rear of the head. Okay? I documented that in my book.
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I showed that news accounts, starting with the press conference
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conducted within an hour of the time of death, when the two doctors
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Clark and Perry conducted a press conference at Parkland Hospital,
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with news interviews over the weekend, with testimony before the
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Warren Commission, with their medical reports -- it all points to
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the fact that the doctors in Dallas saw a hole at the right-rear of
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the head. Connected with that hole was a flap of scalp. They all
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thought that a bullet had exited from the right-rear of the head.
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When I say, "they all thought", let's say with one minor exception.
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But that's what their diagnosis was. And the brain was inside the
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head. It was not gone, or anything of that sort. There was severe
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damage. There was some brain tissue blown out. But it was not as if
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the President was in Dallas, Texas with an empty cranium.</p>
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<p>Now, that is the Dallas evidence. I refer anybody listening to this
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to Chapter 13 of my book ["BEST EVIDENCE"]. At the Bethesda end of
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the line, I personally think that the finest evidence there is is a
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blood-stained diagram -- today at the National Archives. That blood-stained diagram, executed by Commander Boswell, one of it's autopsy
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surgeons, shows measurements ten-by-seventeen for the hole in the
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top of the President's head. Ten-by-seventeen is 170 square centimeters.
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That's FIVE times larger than the thirty-five square centimeters hole
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at Parkland. To use inches, at Parkland it was thought to be two
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and three-quarter inches across. At Bethesda it's seven or eight
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inches on the diagonal. In the official autopsy description, it was
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listed as thirteen centimeters across, which is still a mighty big hole.
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It was not what was seen in Dallas. </p>
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<p>Furthermore, specifically stated in the Bethesda report is that
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the scalp is entirely gone over that hole. There is no flap. It is
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just GONE. Now that huge crater in the top right-hand side of the
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head is described in the Bethesda autopsy report, and it conflicts
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with Dallas. Furthermore, two agents present -- FBI agents Seibert
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and O'Neill, again who are also connected with the coffin business;
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that is, in providing us with valuable information about that 7:14
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entry -- two FBI agents report that when the body was removed from
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the casket in which it had been transported, and placed on the
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autopsy table, it was apparent that there had been surgery of the
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head area; namely, in the top of the skull. NO such surgery was
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performed in Dallas. If the FBI statement is true (and that's a
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very critical question; it ought to be investigated by a special
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prosecutor) ..... if the FBI statement is true, then something
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happened to the body between Dallas and Bethesda.
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(to be continued)
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* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *</p>
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<p> If you agree that this story deserves broad public attention, please
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assist in disseminating it by posting it to other bulletin boards,
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and by posting hardcopies in public places, both on and off campus.
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As evidence accrues concerning the corporate mass-media's thirty-year
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cover-up of the corporate CIA's coup d'etat against the People of
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the United States, the need for citizen reportage becomes
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ever more striking.</p>
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<p> John DiNardo</p>
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<p>Article 16630 of alt.conspiracy:
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Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk,alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,alt.society.civil-liberty,alt.individualism,alt.censorship,talk.politics.misc,misc.headlines,soc.culture.usa
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Path: cbnewsl!jad
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From: jad@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (John DiNardo)
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Subject: Part XVII, PACIFICA RADIO Investigates the Murder of President Kennedy
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Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
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Distribution: <span class="PERSON">North</span> America
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Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1992 12:18:27 GMT
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<span class="Message-ID"> 1992Oct20.121827.20733@cbnewsl.cb.att.com</span>
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Followup-To: alt.conspiracy.jfk
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Keywords: researchers' revelations about the assassination of President Kennedy
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Lines: 141</p>
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<p> I made the following transcript from a tape recording
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of a broadcast by Pacifica Radio Network station
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WBAI-FM (99.5)
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505 Eighth Ave., 19th Fl.
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New York, NY 10018 (212) 279-0707</p>
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<p>* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
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(continuation)
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DAVID LIFTON:
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Now that is the evidence that something happened between Dallas and
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Bethdesda. And the consequence of that medical alteration -- if it
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occurred -- is that the Dallas doctors thought that something exited
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from the rear of the head. The Bethesda doctors thought that
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something entered from the rear and blew out the top. Did the
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doctors recognize [believe] it? Was this a perfect medical forgery?
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Absolutely not. They didn't recognize it because the FBI documents
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that I've obtained under the Freedom of Information Act indicate
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that the FBI wrote down what the doctors said. So if I'm correct,
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my interpretation not only goes to what happened on the body, but
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what happened in the room. In other words, to paraphrase the old
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question from Watergate: What did the doctors know, and when did
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they know it? Well, according to the FBI, the doctors IMMEDIATELY,
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and I stress, immmediately recognized that there had been surgery
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of the head area; namely in the top of the skull. That's what I
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think the record shows in this case.
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This is not some kind of a perfect crime! It's a very sloppy crime.
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I think that a special prosecutor ought to question these doctors
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who are still alive -- and they MUST be questioned before they pass
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on. I think that we would get some stunning new information about
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this case because I personally interviewed one of the FBI agents,
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and I know that he's going to stand behind his statement, contrary
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to a foolish affidavit, excerpted in some weird fashion and
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published by professor Blakey in a report in which they tried to
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make it appear that the FBI agents said that this was not true.</p>
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<p>So that's what happened in the area of the head. I believe that the
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configuration of the wounds was changed. Now, in the area of the
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neck we have a similar problem. We have a tracheotomy, supposedly,
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according to the sworn testimony of Doctor Malcolm Perry in Dallas,
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done through the neck wound. That tracheotomy, Doctor Perry told me
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in 1966, was two to three centimeters. And according to everybody
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there, it had neat edges -- neat edges as made with a knife. I
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would be more than willing to testify before any investigation that
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Perry told me that it was two to three centimeters, in 1966, and to
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offer my telephone interview tapes as evidence. In 1966, I
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interviewed all the doctors on this issue of the length of the
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tracheotomy incision. At the Dallas end of the line it was two to
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three centimeters; four, some of them said. There's one or two
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stragglers who say it was a little bit bigger. But Perry made the
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incision. He told me it was two to three centimeters. In the
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autopsy report, that thing is listed as six-and-a-half centimeters
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with widely gaping edges. And under oath, Humes said it was seven
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to eight centimeters. And it has, according to the autopsy report,
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widely gaping irregular edges. So that is the issue: that something
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happened to the throat wound between Dallas and Bethesda.</p>
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<p>Now, if it was an entry wound, as the Dallas doctors originally
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alleged and believed, if a bullet or fragment entered at the front
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of the throat and lodged, as most of them believed, at the top of
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the right lung, isn't it interesting that when the body was opened
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at Bethesda, where the Dallas doctors thought there was a bullet,
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the Bethesda doctors found a bloody bruise with a pyramid-shaped
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scar. That's circumstantial evidence, of course, but I think it's
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probative. So that's the situation. I believe that there was
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bullet extraction from the area of the throat too. All of this put
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together raises again this question of probability. Can all these
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doctors ..... can this pattern be an accident? Can we simply be
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looking at mistaken medical observations, mistaken FBI reports,
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mistaken observations of those who know what kind of casket was used?
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I think not! I think this is the kind of stuff that the can opener
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of a special prosecutor could pry wide open.</p>
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<p>GARY NULL:
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Okay. That's a good presentation. Now we're going to summarize
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here for a moment. What you're suggesting is that there is hard
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evidence, good documentation that the casket and the state of the
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President's body that left Dallas is not the same casket and state
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of the President's body that arrived in Bethesda.</p>
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<p>DAVID LIFTON:
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Right. There's not only a break in the chain-of-possession, but
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there is alteration of the evidence.</p>
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<p>GARY NULL:
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Alright. So they altered evidence. Now if this were put on trial,
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that would be a major issue.</p>
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<p>DAVID LIFTON:
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That would be a major allegation. I can also guide you a little bit,
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if you wish, into the way that the rebuttal would work so the
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reader can understand the nature of this problem.</p>
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<p>GARY NULL:
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Okay. I'm going to ask you to hold onto that thought because
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there's a lot more information. Now we're going to go, in just a
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few moments, over to our other guest, Doctor Cyril Wecht, on this
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issue. There is also the Leibeler Memorandum which I want to talk
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about. And I want to talk about some new information and the
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emergence of a new hypothesis. I want to talk about the Seibert
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and O'Neill Report. And I want to look at the X-rays and the
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photographs, and the allegations of Doctor John Ebersole, and some
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of the comments from the House Select Committee in 1978.
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Alright? We'll be doing that in a few moments. </p>
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<p>I do want to mention to our audience that three times a year, here
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on WBAI, non-commercial, public, free-access radio, part of the
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Pacifica Network, that we must take a break to do some fund-raising
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so that we can continue paying our bills. We're going to come back
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to our guests in about ten minutes and continue on with this
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information, presenting more documentation that the American Public
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has not been made privy to, but which it must in order to make
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reasonable judgments about the conclusions drawn by the Warren
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Commission; about the role that the media has played in the
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official position, and what this means.</p>
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<p>Yesterday, you heard us talk about the fact that various members of
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Organized Crime were implicated in this, and certain middle-level
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members, by name, of the CIA; certain members of the FBI, by name,
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such as Guy Banister; the pro and anti-Castro movements involving
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Oswald, and the fact that, up to this point, we cannot find
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evidence that Oswald was implicated in the assassination. It's so
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easy to have a single gunman, a single person, and end it there.
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But we CANNOT end it there if the evidence doesn't indicate that it
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should be ended there. And it does not. And so we're looking hard,
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and we're looking where mainstream media either has chosen not to
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look, or has looked and chosen not to accept the evidence.
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(to be continued)
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* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *</p>
|
||
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<p> If you agree that this story deserves broad public attention, please
|
||
|
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assist in disseminating it by posting it to other bulletin boards,
|
||
|
|
and by posting hardcopies in public places, both on and off campus.
|
||
|
|
As evidence accrues concerning the corporate mass-media's thirty-year
|
||
|
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cover-up of the corporate CIA's coup d'etat against the People of
|
||
|
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the United States, the need for citizen reportage becomes
|
||
|
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ever more striking.</p>
|
||
|
|
<p> John DiNardo</p>
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<p>Article 16698 of alt.conspiracy:
|
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Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk,alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,alt.society.civil-liberty,alt.individualism,alt.censorship,talk.politics.misc,misc.headlines,soc.culture.usa
|
||
|
|
Path: cbnewsl!jad
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||
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From: jad@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (John DiNardo)
|
||
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Subject: Part XVIII, PACIFICA RADIO Investigates the Murder of President Kennedy
|
||
|
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Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
|
||
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Distribution: <span class="PERSON">North</span> America
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Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1992 13:20:33 GMT
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<span class="Message-ID"> 1992Oct22.132033.16754@cbnewsl.cb.att.com</span>
|
||
|
|
Followup-To: alt.conspiracy.jfk
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|
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Keywords: researchers' revelations about the assassination of President Kennedy
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Lines: 147</p>
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<p> I made the following transcript from a tape recording
|
||
|
|
of a broadcast by Pacifica Radio Network station
|
||
|
|
WBAI-FM (99.5)
|
||
|
|
505 Eighth Ave., 19th Fl.
|
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New York, NY 10018 (212) 279-0707</p>
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<p>* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
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(continuation)
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GARY NULL:
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We're allowing you to make the decision, rather than making it for
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you. We'll be back with this special investigative report.
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Eighteen more [one-hour] parts to this series to come. Bit by bit,
|
||
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we're laying the information out. It's too much to lay out all at
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||
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once. It would be too confusing. .....</p>
|
||
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<p>In our series on hidden agendas, conspiracies and cover-ups, we are
|
||
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|
examing one type of cover-up, and that involves the assassination of
|
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|
|
President John F. Kennedy. Later on in this series we'll be dealing
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with other issues, other forms of cover-up. </p>
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<p>Most Americans, for a long period of time, believed the Warren
|
||
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Commission, which said that two bullets fired by one man, who had
|
||
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no connection to anyone, killed the President. There was never a
|
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detailed effort to try to understand the inconsistencies, the
|
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|
missing or altered evidence, nor the media's compliance with this
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particular single view. We are now looking at new information and
|
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trying to see whether or not the American Public has been given all
|
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the information by the media to allow it to make an intelligent
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decision about what really was involved.
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My guest on today's program is Jerry Policoff from WXIX-TV in
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Cincinnati, Ohio, a researcher since 1966 whose articles on the
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assassination of John F. Kennedy appeared in GALLERY MAGAZINE. He
|
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has also written for ROLLING STONE, NEW TIMES, THE REALIST and
|
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other publications, and in the op-ed pages of the New York Times
|
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and the Washington Post. Most recently he wrote a very fine article
|
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in the VILLAGE VOICE, co-authored with Robert Hennelly.</p>
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<p>My other guest is Jim Marrs, author of CROSSFIRE: THE PLOT THAT
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KILLED KENNEDY. He is also a reporter for the Fort Worth Star-Telegram.
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He was a reporter for the Denton Record-Chronicle at the time of the
|
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assassination of John Kennedy. He teaches at the University of Texas
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at Arlington, on the assassination of President Kennedy.
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Welcome to our program, Jerry Policoff.</p>
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<p>JERRY POLICOFF:
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Hi. How are you?</p>
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<p>GARY NULL:
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and welcome to our program, Jim Marrs.</p>
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<p>JIM MARRS:
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It's good to be with you.</p>
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<p>GARY NULL:
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Jim, we're going to begin with you, and I'm going to be giving
|
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information, through you, which the American Public simply has not
|
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been made generally aware of, so we can throw new light on this
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entire issue. I'm going to run through some issues with you. I'd
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like for you to address them. First and foremost, let's try to
|
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understand all the different things that occurred in Dealey Plaza
|
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that most people had not even considered -- not even the Warren
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Commission. We've been led to believe that it was just part of a
|
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regular motorcade -- that this man just HAPPENED to have known the
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[details of the] motorcade, planted himself there in very short
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order, and was able to get off what is simply the fastest, most
|
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accurate shooting in the HISTORY of marksmanship -- and that that's
|
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how it went down. Nothing outside of that occurred that should
|
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throw any suspicion upon this. And, by and large, most of the media
|
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in America, for all these years, has accepted that.</p>
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<p>Quickly, let's go through it and decide what happened on November
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22nd of 1963 in Dealey Plaza -- the motorcade, the crowd, the
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suspicious men, the "babuska lady", the Texas School Book
|
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Depository, the districting[?] seizure, the man in the doorway, the
|
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Oswald encounter, the triple underpass, the smoke from the grassy
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knoll, the third wounded man, the <span class="PERSON">Zapruder</span> film, the black-dog man,
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the badge man, the grassy knoll witnesses ..... Let's go through
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all of this so that the American People can know that, all along,
|
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this information was available, that people were coming forward,
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and that this was excluded from being properly investigated or
|
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reported on.</p>
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<p>JIM MARRS:
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Right. And I think you've pretty well touched on it here. If you
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look at any one single issue in this whole case, then there is
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always doubt, there is always the possibility of a coincidence, or
|
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maybe of just a mistake, or whatever. But you have to look at this
|
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evidence in its totality. All of this evidence -- everything we
|
||
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could talk about -- still comes back to one thing. And that is the
|
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|
"single bullet theory". The "single bullet theory" says that one of
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the bullets struck both Kennedy and Connally, causing seven wounds
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to these two men, including shattering Connally's fifth rib and
|
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shattering his wrist bone. Now if the one bullet did not hit both
|
||
|
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men, then there has to be more than one shooter, in which case
|
||
|
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we've got a crossfire; we've got a conspiracy. And that elevates this
|
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|
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thing to a whole new ball game. So I'd like to address that first.</p>
|
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<p>They knew how long the assassination took because of the <span class="PERSON">Zapruder</span>
|
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Film. The FBI diligently checked his camera and found out that it
|
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ran at eighteen frames per second. So they know that all of the
|
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shooting happened within 5.6 seconds. Alright. Now, within 5.6
|
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seconds it is physically impossible for one man with a bolt-action
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rifle to fire more than three rounds. Hence, they had to say that
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there were only three shots fired. Alright. Two of those shots are
|
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accounted for, which leaves only ONE bullet to account for the
|
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seven wounds to Kennedy and Connally. So how did they go about this?</p>
|
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<p>They simply told us -- and they are STILL TELLING US (people within
|
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the Warren Commission: [President] Gerald Ford, David Dillon[?])
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are STILL telling us that the bullet went through Kennedy's neck,
|
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did not hit anything, and then went on to hit Connally. In fact,
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|
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the Warren Commission Report itself, "Number One: Findings," said:
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"President Kennedy was first struck by a bullet which entered at
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the back of his neck and exited through the lower front portion of
|
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his neck." Now the problem is that this is a small, but critical LIE!
|
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And I say it's a lie because I'll prove it to you in just a minute.
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The President was struck in the back. Okay? And they were unable
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to probe the wound. However, even if they had probed it,
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they claimed that it went upward and exited out his neck. Now --
|
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there's no question about this. The autopsy face-sheet shows it.
|
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It's marked "verified" by his personal physician. The autopsy
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doctors were quoted in the Seibert-O'Neill Report as saying that
|
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the wound was in the back -- the middle of the back. everybody says
|
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|
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that. The shirt and jacket, which are still available, plainly show
|
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a bullet in the middle of the back. The death certificate says:
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"a wound in the posterior back at the level of the third thoracic
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vertebrae." And even Glenn Bennett, one of the Secret Service agents,
|
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in his report from hand-written notes on the day of the assassination,
|
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said that he saw the shot hit the President about four inches down
|
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from the right shoulder.
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(to be continued)
|
||
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|
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *</p>
|
||
|
|
<p> If you agree that this story deserves broad public attention, please
|
||
|
|
assist in disseminating it by posting it to other bulletin boards,
|
||
|
|
and by posting hardcopies in public places, both on and off campus.
|
||
|
|
As evidence accrues concerning the corporate mass-media's thirty-year
|
||
|
|
cover-up of the corporate CIA's coup d'etat against the People of
|
||
|
|
the United States, the need for citizen reportage becomes
|
||
|
|
ever more striking.</p>
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<p> John DiNardo</p>
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<p>Article 16734 of alt.conspiracy:
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From: jad@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (John DiNardo)
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Subject: Part XIX, PACIFICA RADIO Investigates the Murder of President Kennedy
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Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
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Distribution: <span class="PERSON">North</span> America
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Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1992 22:04:05 GMT
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<span class="Message-ID"> 1992Oct23.220405.14474@cbnewsl.cb.att.com</span>
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Followup-To: alt.conspiracy.jfk
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Keywords: researchers' revelations about the assassination of President Kennedy
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Lines: 150</p>
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<p> I made the following transcript from a tape recording
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of a broadcast by Pacifica Radio Network station
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WBAI-FM (99.5)
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505 Eighth Ave., 19th Fl.
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New York, NY 10018 (212) 279-0707</p>
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(continuation)
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JIM MARRS:
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Okay. No problem. He was hit in the back. But the Warren
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Commission and everybody up to today has lied to us and said that
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he was hit in the neck. Why? Because he was hit in the back, and
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it came out his throat. That's an upward trajectory, and it could
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not possibly turn in mid-air and come down to strike Connally.
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So it destroys the "single bullet theory" which is the whole
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foundation of the "lone assassin theory". </p>
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<p>Now, the "smoking gun". The "smoking gun" is the minutes of the
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January 27th, 1964 meeting of the Warren Commission. And we have
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the Chief Counsel, J. Lee Rankin addressing the Warren Commission
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([ex-CIA Director] Allen Dulles, [future President] Gerald Ford).
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And he says (quote):</p>
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<p> "It seems quite apparent now, since we have a picture of where
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the bullet entered in the back, that the bullet entered below the
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shoulder blade, to the right of the backbone, which is below the
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place where the picture shows the bullet came out the neckband of
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the shirt, in front. So that how it could turn and ......"</p>
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<p>And he trails off, because he realizes he has just talked his way
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right out of the "single bullet theory". So they all just decided to
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turn their eyes. They're not going to look at the facts, and they're
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going to lie to us and say that the bullet went [entered] through
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the neck. And THAT is the crux of this whole case. It was a lie
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from start to finish. It was a lie perpetrated at the highest levels
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of the Federal Government. And those people who knew better --
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who knew where the bullet went, and then lied to us -- are technically
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and legally, under the law, guilty of being accessories-after-the-fact,
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which, under the law, means that they are just as guilty as whoever
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pulled the trigger[s].</p>
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<p>And that's what elevates this crime from the murder of President Kennedy
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to a coup d'etat in the United States.</p>
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<p> [JD: a crime of "high treason" against the people of the United States]</p>
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<p>GARY NULL:
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Alright. Let's take a look at the other evidence. Then I want to
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come back to your assertion here, because if there was a coup d'etat,
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I want to go through the cast of characters and people who have
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been alleged, up to this point, to be suspects; such as: Organized
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Crime, pro and anti-Castro <span class="NORP">Cubans</span>, the CIA and other intelligence
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agencies, the FBI, some of the oil cartel men, some of the right-wing
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reactionaries, some of the military hierarchy. I want to look at
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each one of these, because you could not have a coup d'etat without
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having the participation of at least four of those groups. It would
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not work. And anyone planning a military operation of this magnitude
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would have known that. </p>
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<p>JIM MARRS:
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That's true.</p>
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<p>GARY NULL:
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You do not plan a coup d'etat if you know that the military could
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come in and stop you. The FBI would stop you. The Justice Department
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would stop you. So, Organized Crime, by itself, could not possibly
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do it -- which is what's laughable about many of these assertions
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that Organized Crime could do this. First of all, it is my theory
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that these members of Organized Crime have never been very smart --
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that almost everything that they have ever done we have a very
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detailed history of, because they've talked about every crime
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they've ever committed on audio tapes that are in the hands of the
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different courts. From John Gotti on down, every one of these
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people talk. They're braggarts.</p>
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<p>Secondly, they couldn't have covered-up because they've never been
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able to cover anything up. In time, every one of their secrets has
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come forward. And, from that time until now, if Organized Crime was
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involved, we would have heard about it on FBI wiretaps or other
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taps that have occurred. So they may have had some participation.
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But to assume that they were responsible BY THEMSELVES? It goes
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beyond any feasibility.</p>
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<p>This was a military-style operation. But the military would NOT
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have committed this had they known that the security agencies
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would have challenged them.</p>
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<p>JIM MARRS:
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Exactly!</p>
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<p>GARY NULL:
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So you can't have one group [committing a coup d'etat], knowing that
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there is a balance of power within our Government. Any one of those
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balances that is left uncontrolled would be the one that would
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uncover it or, in effect, take back the power. So you have to have,
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in effect, complicity by all the major groups. And I think it's
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laughable that Blakey, of the House Select Committee on
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Assassinations, would have assumed that the Mob did it by itself,
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as if they had the skill to do it. Their hits have been effective,
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but not skillful. And these [assassins] were EXTREMELY skilled. And
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their cover-up was meticulous. The Mob, by itself, could not have
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covered up, and have stolen information out of the National Archives,
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and done the things that have been done. So I want you to give us
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your view of that. But let's go back and look at other
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inconsistencies and obfuscations at Dealey Plaza.</p>
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<p>JIM MARRS:
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Okay. First, let me make a quick point. I agree with everything
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that you've said, except that I would like to point out to your
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audience that I don't believe -- and I don't think you believe,
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either -- that everbody within Government and everybody within the
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intelligence services knew what was going to happen and
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participated actively in the assassination of President Kennedy.
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It doesn't work that way. They are all highly compartmentalized.
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Very often, the right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing.
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And the way to control that is from the absolute top. So we've got
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two men who were in absolute, undeniable, total control of the
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investigation into the death of President Kennedy. And it just
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happens to be the two men who benefitted most from the assassination,
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and who hated Kennedy the most. And that was Lyndon Johnson, his
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successor, and J. Edgar Hoover, Johnson's buddy and neighbor, who
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was in control of the FBI.</p>
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<p> [JD: Many years ago, I read a report that the day before President
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Kennedy was assassinated, he was quoted as remarking:
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"That's Lyndon Johnson, and he's in a lot of trouble."
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Can anyone cite a published source of any quote like this?]
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(to be continued)
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* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *</p>
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<p> If you agree that this story deserves broad public attention, please
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assist in disseminating it by posting it to other bulletin boards,
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and by posting hardcopies in public places, both on and off campus.
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As evidence accrues concerning the corporate mass-media's thirty-year
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cover-up of the corporate CIA's coup d'etat against the People of
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the United States, the need for citizen reportage becomes
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ever more striking.</p>
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<p> John DiNardo</p>
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<p>The episodes of this series can be retrieved via anonymous ftp from the sites:
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ftp.css.itd.umich.edu and red.css.itd.umich.edu
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Log in with name "anonymous" or "ftp" and supply your email address as the
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password. The files are kept in the directory /poli/essays.d/conspiracy.d
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(Instructions for ftp retrieval are dependent upon what sort of system
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the user is on. On a UNIX machine, one would do, at the command prompt:
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ftp ftp.css.itd.umich.edu This may be different on IBMs and Vax systems.)</p>
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<p>Article 3172 of alt.conspiracy.jfk:
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Path: cbnewsl!jad
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From: jad@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (John DiNardo)
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Subject: Part 20, PACIFICA RADIO Investigates the Murder of President Kennedy
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Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
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Distribution: <span class="PERSON">North</span> America
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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1992 17:51:05 GMT
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<span class="Message-ID"> 1992Oct27.175105.20550@cbnewsl.cb.att.com</span>
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Followup-To: alt.conspiracy
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Keywords: researchers' revelations about the assassination of President Kennedy
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Lines: 156</p>
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<p> I made the following transcript from a tape recording
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of a broadcast by Pacifica Radio Network station
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WBAI-FM (99.5)
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505 Eighth Ave., 19th Fl.
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New York, NY 10018 (212) 279-0707</p>
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<p>* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
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(continuation)
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JIM MARRS:
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And in the case of the FBI, if you can control the distribution of
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the information and what information is released, then you control
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the whole investigation. In other words, there were honest FBI
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people who were going out, after the assassination, and doing
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honest investigative work, and filing honest reports. But these
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reports were thrown in with other reports of dubious authenticity;
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reports which can be demonstrated to be phony -- false. And then,
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from the very top, J. Edgar Hoover and his top echelon was able to
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reach into this smorgasbord of evidence and pull out, selectively,
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whatever case they wanted to present to the public.</p>
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<p>GARY NULL:
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There is one other character whom you didn't mention, though I'm
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sure you're aware of, and that is: JFK had replaced Allen Dulles
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as the head of the CIA, and Allen Dulles ends up being one of the
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key people on the Warren Commission.</p>
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<p>JIM MARRS:
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Exactly. Isn't that like putting the fox in charge of the henhouse?</p>
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<p>GARY NULL:
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And there was no man in the history of the intelligence community,
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before or since, who's ever been as connected to everything within
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the intelligence apparatus -- and very much a hands-on person --
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as Allen Dulles.</p>
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<p>JIM MARRS:
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That's true. And let me point out that during the Warren Commission
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hearings, the allegation came up, just as it's still alive today,
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that Lee Harvey Oswald was a U.S. intelligence agent. His wife and
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his mother have both publicly stated that this was so. So they asked
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Allen Dulles while they were meeting with the Warren Commission --
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they said: If he had been an agent with the CIA, and you were still
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the head of the CIA, would you admit it? And he said, "No."
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They said: You would lie about it? He said: Yes, I would.
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And so, that's kind of where we are. I would point out that this
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current committee in Congress that's debating whether or not to
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open up the files on the Kennedy Assassination ..... the very first
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item that they have listed that they would shield -- that they would
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keep files hidden on -- is to protect the identity of a U.S. agent.
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Well, that's kind of a catch-22. If Oswald was indeed a U.S. agent,
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then by the parameters set by the new Congressional committee, they
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can't release any information about it. Isn't that something?</p>
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<p>GARY NULL:
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Okay. Well, in any case, we all know that anything the CIA is
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going to release is going to be COMPLETELY on their side. Any
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damaging files, they will have destroyed or not turned over.</p>
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<p>JIM MARRS:
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You know, let's not forget, by the way, that [President] Gerald Ford,
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when he was on the committee, was virtually an informant for
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J. Edgar Hoover.</p>
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<p>GARY NULL:
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I was not aware of that. Let's quickly go through the other
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inconsistencies and disinformation from Dealey Plaza.</p>
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<p>JIM MARRS:
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Well, of course, there's just a plethora of information there.
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Beginning with the fact that the majority of people said that the
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shots came, not from the School Book Depository, but from down near
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the triple underpass, from behind the picket fence on the Grassy
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Knoll. There are even eyewitnesses such as Malcolm Summers and Jean
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Hill and Sam Holland and the railroad people who actually said they
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saw the flash of light, saw the figure under the trees, and saw
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smoke drift out from under the trees. And there's a point there too.
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For years, apologists for the Government have claimed: Well, there
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couldn't have been smoke because even if there had been somebody
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there with a high-power rifle, modern rifles do not smoke.
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Well, being the owner of several bolt-action rifles myself, I can
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assure you that if you have one that's freshly oiled, you'll get a
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nice white puff of smoke. And sure enough, in a film made by a
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newsman named Dave Wegman, we have a frame showing Kennedy's car,
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with the stricken President, just beginning to enter the triple
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underpass. And hanging in the air, coming right off the Grassy Knoll,
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is an obvious white puff of smoke. So these people were all telling
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the truth, and it's the Government that's lied all these years.
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We've got Beverly Oliver who was taking film from the south side of
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Elm Street, and she had her film taken by men who identified
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themselves as FBI agents. And there's a point there. In the hours
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following the assassination, and for several weeks, and in fact,
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all the way up into the summer of 1964 when the Warren Commission
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was already writing their report saying that Oswald was the lone
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assassin, the FBI was in Dallas, actively, in the newspaper and on
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the radio, asking people to turn in their films, their photographs,
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any pictures they had taken in Dealey Plaza; and, of course,
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ostensibly to investigate, to help solve the crime. The fact is
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that very few of those people ever got their pictures or their
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films back. And so, all these years I've had people saying:
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Well look, if there's a big conspiracy, where's the evidence?
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Well heck! They TOOK the evidence up. They just took it away.</p>
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<p>So there was an ongoing, concerted effort to take up evidence and
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to hide anything that would point to the reality of what went on.
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And the witnesses, the majority of whom said that shots came from
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the Grassy Knoll, were discredited, were laughed at, and were ignored.</p>
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<p>GARY NULL:
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Alright. Let's go through a few of the particulars here:
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the lack of Secret Service agents protecting the roofs, and the
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speed of the motorcade. Those are two primary issues that have not
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been properly addressed.</p>
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<p>JIM MARRS:
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Okay. Number one: the security for the motorcade. A lot of people
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don't understand, Gary, that that motorcade that Kennedy was in in
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Dallas, where he met his death, that was the SECOND motorcade of
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that day. Earlier in the morning, Kennedy rode in a motorcade from
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downtown Fort Worth out to Carswell Air Force Base where he boarded
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Air Force One for the short hop over to Dallas. Now, having been a
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police reporter there in Fort Worth starting way back in the
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mid-60s, I came into contact with a lot of police and sheriff's
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people and everybody else who participated in that motorcade. And
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they said that security was especially tight, and that they had
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orders to keep people off of the overpasses and off of bridges that
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would overlook the motorcade route -- that they had armed men
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stationed on rooftops, looking for anything out of the ordinary.
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Most importantly, they had orders that there were to be no open
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windows facing the mototcade route. And, in fact, they had orders
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to go into buildings and close windows if they saw a window go up
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along the motorcade route.</p>
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<p>NONE of this was done in Dallas. NONE OF IT !
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(to be continued)
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* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *</p>
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<p> If you agree that this story deserves broad public attention, please
|
||
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assist in disseminating it by posting it to other bulletin boards,
|
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|
|
and by posting hardcopies in public places, both on and off campus.
|
||
|
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As evidence accrues concerning the corporate mass-media's thirty-year
|
||
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cover-up of the corporate CIA's coup d'etat against the People of
|
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the United States, the need for citizen reportage becomes
|
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ever more striking.</p>
|
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<p> John DiNardo</p>
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|
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<p>The episodes of this series can be retrieved via anonymous ftp from the sites:
|
||
|
|
ftp.css.itd.umich.edu and red.css.itd.umich.edu
|
||
|
|
Log in with name "anonymous" or "ftp" and supply your email address as the
|
||
|
|
password. The files are kept in the directory /poli/essays.d/conspiracy.d
|
||
|
|
(Instructions for ftp retrieval are dependent upon what sort of system
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From: jad@Turing.ORG (John DiNardo)
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Subject: Part 21, PACIFICA RADIO Investigates the Murder of President Kennedy
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<span class="Message-ID"> 1992Nov12.125856.14188@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU</span>
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Keywords: researchers' revelations about the assassination of President Kennedy
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Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia.
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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 12:58:56 GMT
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<p> The following transcript was made from a tape recording
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of a broadcast by Pacifica Radio Network station
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WBAI-FM (99.5)
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505 Eighth Ave., 19th Fl.
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New York, NY 10018 (212) 279-0707</p>
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<p>* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
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(continuation)
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JIM MARRS [author of CROSSFIRE]:
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In fact, they used motorcycle officers, who were to flank Kennedy's
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car, who were given orders by the Secret Service not to proceed
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past the rear bumper. That left him hanging out there, unprotected.
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Dallas police Captain Fritz had requested of the Secret Service
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that he be allowed to ride a car or two back from the President
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with some of his sharpshooters and to watch the windows and watch
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for problems on the rooftops. He was told: No, you can ride at
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the rear of the motorcade. So, in disgust, he just went on to the
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trademart.</p>
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<p>None of the normal precautions were taken that day. And, in fact,
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there were direct violations of Secret Service regulations, the
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most blatant of which was that the men who were actually in charge
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of protecting the President -- in direct violation of Secret
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Service regulations -- were out drinking until four and five in
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the morning over in Fort Worth. And they were not just drinking
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beer. They were drinking Everclear. This was a direct violation,
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punishable by dismissal from the Secret Service, and yet, all of
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this was hushed up and covered up.</p>
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<p>The next big security breach was that Secret Service regulations
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stated that you would not make a turn greater than ninety degrees.
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And if you had to make a ninety degree turn, you'd station
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security people at the intersection. Well, the one hundred and
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twenty degree turn in front of the Texas School Book Depository
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was a direct violation. And no security people were stationed
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there. Only one policeman, Joe Smith, was stationed there. And
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what was his experience? He said that he heard shots down near
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the triple underpass by the little concrete monument, ran down
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there, and could still smell gunpowder hanging in the bushes.
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So you could see that there was something really wrong going on
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with the motorcade.</p>
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<p>GARY NULL:
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So Secret Service elements would have to have been involved.
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Isn't it also true that the right-flanking motorcycle cop leaves
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the motorcade when everyone turns onto Elm Street, and that cop
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continues straight down Houston Street? </p>
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<p>JIM MARRS:
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Well, that is true, but I think I have an explanation for that.
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In one of Mary Moorman's five Polaroid snapshots, we see a
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picture of this motorcycle officer, by himself, rushing down Elm
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Street. I think what happened there was kind of a normal police
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motorcade procedure, like in a funeral or something. One runs up
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ahead, checks the intersection and holds traffic while everybody
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goes through -- and then he races ahead -- leap-frogs up ahead.
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I think that this motorcycle officer simply roared up Houston
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Street a little ways to make sure that everything was secured and
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that nobody was coming through there; and then he turned around,
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rode back and rejoined his companions further down in the plaza.
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I don't necessarily see anything suspicious in that one particular
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incident. </p>
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<p>GARY NULL:
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Jim, what you're telling us is very new and very important for
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this audience. And that is that there were extraordinarily tight
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and professional safety precautions earlier that same day in
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Fort Worth, and all of that was undone. All of that was dismissed
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in Dallas. That is completely atypical, and that is something
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that the media should have picked up on. That story ALONE would
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have been enough, if I were the city editor, for me to send out a
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reporter -- to say: Hold on a second. Dallas and Fort Worth are
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side-by-side. They're only about thirty miles apart. You have, in
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one case, tight, complete, total security. And in another case
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you have no security ? </p>
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<p>JIM MARRS:
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That's true. Well let me tell you something -- then and now.
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First off ..... Well, I don't want to use any names, but a good
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friend of mine, a peer, who was a news reporter at that time, and
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who knew Dallas quite familiarly .....and that was part of the
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problem: all the news media poured into Dallas, but they didn't
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really know Dallas. They didn't know how to get around. They
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didn't know how to talk to the people. But this fellow did. And
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he was beginning to kind of investigate on his own because he
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smelled a rat. Okay? And he became convinced that his phone was
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tapped, and that people were following him around. He had a wife
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and a family, and he just told me, quite frankly, that it scared
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him, and he backed off. Now that was back at the time [soon after
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the assassination]. Today, just two years ago, a senior editor
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for one of the Dallas-Fort Worth major dailies told me -- he said:
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"Jim, I know you're right, but I can't print the truth because
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it could mean my life." Okay? And the guy was dead-serious.</p>
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<p>Now I, for one, do not believe for a minute that some hit-team is
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going to come to Dallas-Fort Worth and kill some newspaper editor
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just because of some story he runs in the newspaper. The point is,
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this fellow does. This fellow really believes it. So we've got
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absolute fear still being used as a very, very powerful weapon down
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here to keep people who should know otherwise ..... to keep them
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silent.</p>
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<p>JERRY POLICOFF:
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Can I interject something here? You know, when you're talking about
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security in Dallas, of all of the places where there should have
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been a greater measure of security than anywhere else, it should
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have been Dallas where [liberal Democrat who ran against Eisenhower
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in '56] Adlai Stevenson had been attacked and spat on by a crowd.
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Lyndon Johnson had been [too]. There were legitimate reasons to be
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concerned about the safety of the President in Dallas, of all places.</p>
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<p>GARY NULL:
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Alright. We're going to take a break here to summarize everything.
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Then I want to go into the means, the motives and the opportunities
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to assassinate the President, and try to give as much new
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information as possible, and at that time, also bring in what the
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media has done or not done. I even want to get to the information
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that was NOT reviewed, or not given credibility by the investigators.
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In particular, when one good investigator was doing a good job,
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he was fired, and a person who supported the "single gunman theory"
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was brought in to take his place. So, at every level, damage control
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was maintained. The only way that could have been done is for people
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who were in a position to control it from the very first day knew
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that no matter how long it took -- no matter who came into the picture,
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no one in the major media, or in any Governmental agency was going
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to uncover anything that would be that damaging.
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(to be continued)
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* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *</p>
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<p> If you agree that this story deserves broad public attention, please
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assist in disseminating it by posting it to other bulletin boards,
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and by posting hardcopies in public places, both on and off campus.
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As evidence accrues concerning the corporate mass-media's thirty-year
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cover-up of the corporate CIA's coup d'etat against the People of
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the United States, the need for citizen reportage becomes
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ever more striking.</p>
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<p> John DiNardo</p>
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<p>~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
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If we seriously listen to this "God within us" ["conscience",
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if you will], we usually find ourselves being urged to take the
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more difficult path, the path of more effort rather than less.
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.... Each and every one of us, more or less frequently, will hold
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back from this work. .... Like every one of our ancestors before
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us, we are all lazy. So original sin does exist; it is our laziness.</p>
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<p> M. Scott Peck
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THE ROAD LESS TRAVELED
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~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~</p>
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<p>From jad@ckuxb.att.com Tue Dec 15 16:12:03 1992
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Received: from att-out.att.com by css.itd.umich.edu (5.67/2.2)
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id AA11168; Tue, 15 Dec 92 16:12:01 -0500
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<span class="Message-ID"> 9212152112.AA11168@css.itd.umich.edu</span>
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From: jad@ckuxb.att.com
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 15:57 EST
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To: pauls@css.itd.umich.edu
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Status: O
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X-Status: </p>
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<p>Article 17406 of alt.conspiracy:
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From: jad@Turing.ORG (John DiNardo)
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Subject: Part 22, PACIFICA RADIO Investigates the Murder of President Kennedy
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<span class="Message-ID"> 1992Nov16.161704.18600@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU</span>
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Followup-To: alt.conspiracy.jfk
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Keywords: researchers' revelations about the assassination of President Kennedy
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Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU
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Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia.
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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 16:17:04 GMT
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<p> I made the following transcript from a tape recording
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of a broadcast by Pacifica Radio Network station
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WBAI-FM (99.5)
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505 Eighth Ave., 19th Fl.
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New York, NY 10018 (212) 279-0707</p>
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<p>* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
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(continuation)
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GARY NULL:
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My guests today are Jerry Policoff and Jim Marrs. We're going to
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come back to them in just a few moments. Jerry and Jim, we're
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going to take a ten-minute break because this week, and I believe
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next week, WBAI, this non-commercial station which is part of the
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Pacifica Radio Network, is in the midst of its fund-raising, and
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we use this opportunity three times a year to raise funds so that
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this station can continue.</p>
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<p>Right now, we're doing our special report on the assassination of
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President John F. Kennedy. It will continue until we've laid out
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all of the evidence that we have; each day another new piece of it.
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Now, let's go back to our main program.</p>
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<p>We're talking about the John Kennedy Assassination. On our
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conference phone right now -- and I appreciate their patience for
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standing by -- is Dr. Cyril Wecht, and also talking to us on
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another conference phone is David Lifton. Dr. Wecht, you've been
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listening patiently, and I thank you very much for your patience.
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Would you be kind enough to share with us your concern about the
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Warren Commission's findings and what you feel is the weak link in
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that evidence, and what you would propose we should be paying some
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attention to?</p>
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<p>CYRIL WECHT:
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Yes. Mr. Null, I'll just be able to make a brief statement because
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the time has run out for me at my end. I'm sorry. I would have
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enjoyed talking to you more. My concerns about the Warren Commission
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Report have been a matter of record. They're now going back
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some twenty-seven years. I believe I'm the only non-Government-affiliated forensic pathologist to have testified three times under
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oath in this matter before Federal District Court Judge Charles
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Hallock[sp] Jr. in Washington, D.C. in 1969, as a prelude to the
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Clay Shaw Trial in New Orleans, and before the <span class="PERSON">Rockefeller</span>
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Commission in 1975 .....</p>
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<p>..... [side A of tape ended]</p>
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<p>.... CIA clearance. Any staff member who was reviewing CIA
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documents, before he could leave, had to submit notes to the CIA
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for review. And basically, the course of the investigation changed.
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And all of a sudden the main suspect was Organized Crime. To put a
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historical context on this, only slightly before the House
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Assassinations Committee began its work, the [Sen. Frank] Church
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Committee had ended its work. And, although they didn't review
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whether or not there was a conspiracy, they did review the work
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of the FBI and the CIA in terms of their initial investigations of
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the assassination. And the result was a blistering indictment of
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their investigations; in fact, their non-investigations. The Church
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Committee made it very clear that J. Edgar Hoover had decided,
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immediately after the assassination, that Lee Harvey Oswald was
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the assassin. As the main investigative arm of the Warren
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Commission, that certiainly put handcuffs on the Warren Commission.</p>
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<p>The CIA was guilty of obfuscation at every turn, in terms of
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whether Oswald was a CIA agent, had ever worked for the CIA, his
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connections or his activities in Mexico City; in fact, whether
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that even was Lee Harvey Oswald in Mexio City, which is doubtful;
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his connections with Guy Bannister and various anti-Castro groups
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in New Orleans. All of that was TOTALLY obfuscated by the CIA.
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So, with that in its historical context, you have to really look
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at the FBI and the CIA as clearly, at least, suspects when you're
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investigating the Assassination. That was never done by [Chief
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Counsel] Blakey! Members of the staff [of the House Select
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Committee on Assassinations] who weren't cleared by the CIA were
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fired. Frankly, even at one point it was discovered that the
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autopsy photos and X-rays, which were in the files of the House
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Committee ..... somebody had broken into the room in which the
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autopsy photos and X-rays were kept, and had hurriedly made an
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examination of them, ripping some file folders in the process.
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A fingerprint examination revealed that the person who had broken
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in was the CIA liaison between the Committee and the CIA. That
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person was fired, but it didn't seem to have, in any way, raised
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any questions with Blakey in terms of the role of the CIA.</p>
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<p>GARY NULL:
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Isn't that a federal offense: breaking and entering, and
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tampering with information?</p>
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<p>CYRIL WECHT:
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I would certainly think so.</p>
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<p>GARY NULL:
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To my knowledge, no one from the CIA has EVER actually been put on
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trial for ANY crimes. Have they?</p>
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<p>CYRIL WECHT:
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No. Never.</p>
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<p>GARY NULL:
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So what we have is an agency that was repeatedly spying on its own
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citizens, interfering in special investigations -- and yet no one
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was calling the CIA to account. And, as a result, to this day, the
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CIA is still being able to do virtually anything that it wants.</p>
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<p>CYRIL WECHT:
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Yes. And, as a matter of fact, one of the Committee staffers told
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me that, back at the time that the Committee was investigating,
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one of the staffers basically put some hard questions to Blakey,
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in terms of his acceptance of anything that the CIA told him.
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He said, and this is a quote: "You don't think they would lie to
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me, do you? I've been working with these people for twenty years."
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That really puts into perspective where Blakey was coming from.</p>
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<p>GARY NULL:
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Alright. Le's go to a few other issues here. Let's take a look at
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the NBC documentary on Jim Garrison.</p>
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<p>CYRIL WECHT:
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Okay. I have to preface this by saying that I really think that
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there were a lot of things wrong with the Garrison Investigation,
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but it's really clear, from the outset, that the Government was
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VERY concerned about what was going on in New Orleans and about
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what was going to come out. We know that one of the things that
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the House Committee found, but didn't publish -- thanks to
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Mr. Blakey -- was that the CIA infiltrated eleven of its agents
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into Garrison's investigation. We know that the Justice Department
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was spoon-feeding information to Clay Shaw's lawyers.</p>
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<p>>From the beginning, the media, rather than taking an arms-length
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view and holding back to see what Garrison had .... the media was,
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almost from the beginning, almost prosecutorial in terms of the
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way they went after Garrison. NBC ran a one-hour documentary
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during prime-time. It was produced by Walter Sheridan, who had
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never been a journalist all of his life. He had been a private
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investigator. He had worked for the Kennedy family. We don't
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really know what his agenda was here, but he certainly was not a
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reporter. He was accused of bribing witnesses. The documentary,
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from beginning to end, was an incredible indictment of Garrison.
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(to be continued)
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* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *</p>
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<p> If you agree that this story deserves broad public attention, please
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assist in disseminating it by posting it to other bulletin boards,
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and by posting hardcopies in public places, both on and off campus.
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As evidence accrues concerning the corporate mass-media's thirty-year
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cover-up of the corporate CIA's coup d'etat against the People of
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the United States, the need for citizen reportage becomes
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ever more striking.</p>
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<p> John DiNardo</p>
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<p>If you would like to hear Gary Null's program, broadcast by satellite
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from WBAI to a radio station in your locale, you can help to make it
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happen by calling 1(800) USA-1963.
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</p>
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From: jad@Turing.ORG (John DiNardo)
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Subject: Part 23, PACIFICA RADIO Investigates the Murder of President Kennedy
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<span class="Message-ID"> 1992Nov17.223139.4440@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU</span>
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Followup-To: alt.conspiracy.jfk
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Keywords: researchers' revelations about the assassination of President Kennedy
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Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU
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Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia.
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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 22:31:39 GMT
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Lines: 143</p>
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<p> I made the following transcript from a tape recording
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of a broadcast by Pacifica Radio Network station
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WBAI-FM (99.5)
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505 Eighth Ave., 19th Fl.
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New York, NY 10018 (212) 279-0707</p>
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<p>* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
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(continuation)
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CYRIL WECHT:
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Just to put in context what they did, Garrison went to the F.C.C.
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to request equal time, and never before or since has the F.C.C.
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made a judgment like the one they made in this case. They ruled
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that the NBC documentary was so dishonest and so flawed that they
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ordered NBC to give Garrison a half-hour of prime time to respond
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to it. I think that says something in terms of where that NBC
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documentary was coming from.</p>
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<p>GARY NULL:
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And Garrison did respond to it?</p>
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<p>CYRIL WECHT:
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He did respond to it in prime time. Yes.</p>
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<p>GARY NULL:
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We must state here that Walter Sheridan, since he's not here to
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defend himself .... any allegations of any misdeeds or misconduct
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are just that: allegations. Since he was never proved to have done
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any of those things, we must keep that in this perspective.
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Now let's go to the idea of the NBC documentary on the JFK
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assassination and the FBI.</p>
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<p>CYRIL WECHT:
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Okay. When the Warren Commission Report was issued, NBC ran a
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one-hour documentary in prime time, just prior to the release of
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the Warren Report, that basically was a summary of what the Warren
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Commission was going to find. An internal FBI document, that was
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generated a week prior to that documentary, reviewed in chapter
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and verse what the NBC documentary was going to show, and also it
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included in it assurances from unnamed sources at NBC that nothing
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in the documentary would criticize the work of the FBI or the
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findings of the initial FBI report that had preceded the findings
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of the Warren Commission. Clearly, the FBI had an open pipeline
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into NBC and it knew exactly what NBC was doing. And clearly,
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there was a pipeline back that was assuring the FBI that there
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wouldn't be any agenda that the FBI would have a problem with.</p>
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<p>GARY NULL:
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Alright. The Washington Post and editor Ben Bradlee?</p>
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<p>CYRIL WECHT:
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Okay. Ben Bradlee .... I have a letter from the then-book-review
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editor of the Washington Post in which he informed me that Ben
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Bradlee had ordered him not to review any books about the Kennedy
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Assassination. A rather interesting incident took place after the
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demise of the House Assassinations Committee. One of the things
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that the House Assassinations Committee had investigated was a
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report that Lee Harvey Oswald had ben seen in the company of a
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gentleman by the name of Maurice Bishop, who was said by sources
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to be a high-ranking official in the Central Intelligence Agency.
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The members of the staff of the House Assassinations Committee
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became convinced that Maurice Bishop was David Atlee Phillips, who
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had also been a major high-ranking official of the Central
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Intelligence Agency. He had been in Mexico City. He later resigned
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from the Agency to form a support group for the CIA when the CIA
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was coming under a great deal of criticism. David [shouldn't it be
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Anthony?] Summers[sp] wrote extensively about the Phillips/Maurice
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Bishop connection in his book, CONSPIRACY. And he managed to get
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an audience with Ben Bradlee. He suggested to Ben Bradlee that
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this was an area that was ripe for investigation.</p>
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<p>Bradlee subsequently assigned a reporter to the story. The reporter
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was in touch with Summers. He was also in touch with Gaeton Fonzi
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who had been an investigator for the House Committee [on
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Assassinations]. Prior to that, he had been an investigator for
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the [Sen. Frank] Church Committee [on Assassinations], and he was
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the investigator who had originally come up with the Maurice Bishop
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story. The reporter told both Summers and Gaeton Fonzi that when
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Bradlee assigned him to the story, he told him to discredit the
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story. Those were his marching orders. Far from discrediting the
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story, as this reporter got into it, he developed more information
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that tended to support the conclusion that Phillips and Maurice
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Bishop were the same person. That is basically the gist of the
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story that he submitted. The story was killed!</p>
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<p>And that's really in line with what the Washington Post has done
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from the beginning. The Washington Post, The New York Times,
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TIME Inc. have been obsessed with discrediting the stories of
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conspiracy, and with shoring up the official Government findings.</p>
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<p>GARY NULL:
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Then you would have to ask: Why? Is it a matter of coincidence?
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Is it a matter of editorial opinion that may be completely
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innocent of any complicity or malfeasance, or is there some
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connection from the New York Times, NBC, <span class="ORG">CBS</span>, The Washington Post,
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TIME Magazine that would have connections to any of the major
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people who are under criticism now for having participated; such
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as some of the major CIA officers, some of the high-ranking people
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from within the military/industrial complex, right-wing extemists,
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etc. Are there any connections?</p>
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<p>CYRIL WECHT:
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That's where I get into difficulty. I mean, I don't really like to
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speculate about why I think it's dangerous. I think you can only
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point to what was done. Questions have to be raised. I mean, you'd
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have to ask why the media has done what it has done; why these
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things seem to come from the upper levels of the newspapers,
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networks, magazines involved.</p>
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<p>GARY NULL:
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Because remember, it's the same Washington Post that allowed [Bob]
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Woodward and [Carl] Bernstein to expose Watergate, which brought
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down Nixon in the White House and a lot of Ivy League people.</p>
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<p>JIM MARRS:
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Gary, could I jump in and make a comment?</p>
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<p>GARY NULL:
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Yes. Jim Marrs, jump in, please.
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(to be continued)
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* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *</p>
|
||
|
|
<p> If you agree that this story deserves broad public attention, please
|
||
|
|
assist in disseminating it by posting it to other bulletin boards,
|
||
|
|
and by posting hardcopies in public places, both on and off campus.
|
||
|
|
As evidence accrues concerning the corporate mass-media's thirty-year
|
||
|
|
cover-up of the corporate CIA's coup d'etat against the People of
|
||
|
|
the United States, the need for citizen reportage becomes
|
||
|
|
ever more striking.</p>
|
||
|
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<p> John DiNardo</p>
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<p>~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
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If we seriously listen to this "God within us" ["conscience",
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if you will], we usually find ourselves being urged to take the
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more difficult path, the path of more effort rather than less.
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.... Each and every one of us, more or less frequently, will hold
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back from this work. .... Like every one of our ancestors before
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us, we are all lazy. So original sin does exist; it is our laziness.</p>
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<p> M. Scott Peck
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THE ROAD LESS TRAVELED
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~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~</p>
|
||
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<p>From jad@ckuxb.att.com Tue Dec 15 16:00:15 1992
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id AA10931; Tue, 15 Dec 92 16:00:13 -0500
|
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|
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<span class="Message-ID"> 9212152100.AA10931@css.itd.umich.edu</span>
|
||
|
|
From: jad@ckuxb.att.com
|
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|
|
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 15:56 EST
|
||
|
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To: pauls@css.itd.umich.edu
|
||
|
|
Status: O
|
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|
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X-Status: </p>
|
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|
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<p>Article 17664 of alt.conspiracy:
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Path: cbnewsl!cbnewsk!att!linac!pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!malgudi.oar.net!caen!uunet!dtix!darwin.sura.net!uvaarpa!murdoch!Turing.ORG!jad
|
||
|
|
From: jad@Turing.ORG (John DiNardo)
|
||
|
|
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk,alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,alt.society.civil-liberty,alt.individualism,alt.censorship,talk.politics.misc,misc.headlines,soc.culture.usa
|
||
|
|
Subject: Part 24, PACIFICA RADIO Investigates the Murder of President Kennedy
|
||
|
|
Keywords: researchers'revelations about the assassination of President Kennedy
|
||
|
|
<span class="Message-ID"> 1992Nov30.205913.8043@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU</span>
|
||
|
|
Date: 30 Nov 92 20:59:13 GMT
|
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Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU
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Followup-To: alt.conspiracy.jfk
|
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Organization: The Turing Project, Public Access Internet Host
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Lines: 156</p>
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<p> I made the following transcript from a tape recording
|
||
|
|
of a broadcast by Pacifica Radio Network station
|
||
|
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WBAI-FM (99.5)
|
||
|
|
505 Eighth Ave., 19th Fl.
|
||
|
|
New York, NY 10018 (212) 279-0707</p>
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<p>* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
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(continuation)
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JIM MARRS:
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You're right. And it seems pretty incomprehensible that the same
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media outlets that would basically cause the destruction of Nixon
|
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would try to cover up about Kennedy, but I think there is some
|
||
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rationale there. First off, to explain why they do this, you go
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back to the time of the assassination -- and I think Jerry Policoff
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would agree with me on this. This was a whole entirely different
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time and place: this country. Okay? A lot of people within the
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media actively, voluntarily participated and did things for the
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intelligence community out of the noblest of purposes. They felt
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like they were being patriotic. If they went to Russia, say, and
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did a story and they came back, and the CIA domestic contact
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services officer would come to them and say: "Well, what did you
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see?" They would tell them what they saw. They weren't spies. They
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weren't working for the Government. They weren't on the payroll.
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They were simply doing what they thought was patriotic.</p>
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<p>Now, at the time of the Kennedy Assassination and for maybe ten
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years past then, until about the time of the Garrison
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investigation, they were still clinging to this idea. They felt
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like they were doing something good. Now, I think a lot of them
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can probably look back and realize that they were being used by
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these people within the intelligence community, not only to get
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information, but also to give information. It just goes right up
|
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the ladder. We've got people today who are successful columnists,
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and they're successful columnists because they always seem to have
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a little bit of insight into issues and into Governmental matters.
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Well they do because they get this from their sources within the
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CIA and within other Government agencies. They know that if they
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say anything that angers those sources, those sources will close
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themselves off to them. And then, pretty soon they won't be able
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to have anything to put in their columns, and pretty soon their
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columns will be dropped by the newspapers around the country.
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So it's a very self-serving thing. It's a self-preservation-type
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thing.</p>
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<p>And then you keep going until you get to what I think is probably
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the major downfall and the major problem within the media today,
|
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which is just sheer, common laziness. The Kennedy Assassination is
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a complex subject. It has many labyrinths that you can get lost
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into. And it takes a lot of time and a lot of effort. And most
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media people and most editors are simply not willing to devote the
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time and the effort that it would take to pick their way through
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this mine field and find out what's right and what's not right.</p>
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<p>JERRY POLICOFF:
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I would agree with that. And I would also add that I think they
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were embarrassed by their early coverage. It's very difficult to
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look at the work that the media did in the aftermath of the
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assassination, which, by the way, was something that, in that day,
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was very natural. They were spoon-fed the Oswald legend. They were
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spoon-fed the evidence. Everything was accepted uncritically and
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passed on to the American Public. In the years since, I think the
|
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media is very embarrassed to look back at the coverage that they
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afforded this issue back in 1963, and they are basically too
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embarrassed to repudiate it.</p>
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<p>GARY NULL:
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Jerry, let me ask you about a very important character in all this.
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And that is L. Fletcher Prouty. And that, I believe also, Jim, was
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the character that Donald Sutherland played in the movie, JFK:
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the insider who knew all about what was going on, and who explained
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it to Jim Garrison in the movie.</p>
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<p>JIM MARRS:
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Yeah. That's correct. I believe that primarily the Mr. X character
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in the movie, JFK was based on colonel L. Fletcher Prouty.</p>
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<p>GARY NULL:
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||
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Okay. I'd like each of your interpretations of what Prouty has
|
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said and what he knows. At least you can tell our audience.</p>
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<p>JERRY POLICOFF:
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Well, Fletcher Prouty is certainly somebody who needs to be taken
|
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|
seriously. I believe he was the liaison officer between the
|
||
|
|
Pentagon and the CIA. He was certainly in a position to know a
|
||
|
|
great deal about the inner workings of the intelligence community
|
||
|
|
during the 1950s and '60s. He has reported on the breakdown of
|
||
|
|
security. I'm not an expert on this, but I believe that security
|
||
|
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was passed on to military intelligence that day in Dallas.
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Am I right, Jim?</p>
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<p>JIM MARRS:
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Well, the Fourth Army Intelligence normally had agents who would
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join in and, on that particular occasion, they were told to stand
|
||
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down, and not to come to Dallas and not to participate in the
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security. And this is probably very significant because one of the
|
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things that Colonel Prouty has said -- and the more I look at it,
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the more I think he's exactly right -- that the key to a successful
|
||
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|
coup is not necessarily finding competent hit-men. I mean, anybody
|
||
|
|
with a lot of money can go find a competent hit-man. The key is in
|
||
|
|
withdrawing or reducing the normal security. And it seems obvious
|
||
|
|
that that's what happened in Dallas that day.</p>
|
||
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<p>GARY NULL:
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||
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Alright. Jim, go on a little further with Prouty. What else does
|
||
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he know?</p>
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<p>JIM MARRS:
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||
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Well, as Jerry pointed out, he was the Deputy Director of Special
|
||
|
|
Operations, and as such, he was a liaison between the CIA and the
|
||
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|
military. In other words, if the CIA was mounting some sort of
|
||
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|
operation and they needed support -- if they needed trucks, or if
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they needed an airplane, or if they needed air transport, or if
|
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they needed weaponry or something like that, they would go to the
|
||
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military and say: "This is what we need." And Prouty was the
|
||
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focal point officer who would do this. </p>
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<p>Now here's what was unique about his position. Since he was
|
||
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military, and not CIA, he was never required to sign the secrecy
|
||
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oath that all people who work for the CIA have to sign. And the
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secrecy oath -- the bottom line of it is that: If I reveal anything
|
||
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that I learn while working for the CIA, you can suspend my civil
|
||
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liberties, convict me in a court of law, and put me away for ever
|
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and ever. This is the basis of why so many people within the CIA
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cannot and will not talk and tell about what they know. But Prouty
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never signed that because he was a military man, and as such, he
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has been free to talk. And talk he has. All the way back to the
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publication of his book, THE SECRET TEAM, he has been saying
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that there is a power group -- a clique, if you will -- of people
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within the United States Government who operate this Government
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for their own purposes. I think that the Iran-Contra [operation]
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has proved this to be absolutely true, right on up 'til today.
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(to be continued)
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* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *</p>
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<p> If you agree that this story deserves broad public attention, please
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assist in disseminating it by posting it to other bulletin boards,
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and by posting hardcopies in public places, both on and off campus.
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As evidence accrues concerning the corporate mass-media's thirty-year
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cover-up of the corporate CIA's coup d'etat against the People of
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the United States, the need for citizen reportage becomes
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ever more striking.</p>
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<p> John DiNardo</p>
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<p>~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
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If we seriously listen to this "God within us" ["conscience",
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if you will], we usually find ourselves being urged to take the
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more difficult path, the path of more effort rather than less.
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.... Each and every one of us, more or less frequently, will hold
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back from this work. .... Like every one of our ancestors before
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us, we are all lazy. So original sin does exist; it is our laziness.</p>
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<p> M. Scott Peck
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THE ROAD LESS TRAVELED
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~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~</p>
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From: jad@ckuxb.att.com
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 15:56 EST
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To: pauls@css.itd.umich.edu
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<p>Article 17738 of alt.conspiracy:
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From: jad@Turing.ORG (John DiNardo)
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Subject: Part 25, PACIFICA RADIO Investigates the Murder of President Kennedy
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<span class="Message-ID"> 1992Dec2.173503.13186@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU</span>
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Followup-To: alt.conspiracy.jfk
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Keywords: researchers' revelations about the assassination of President Kennedy
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Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU
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Organization: The Turing Project, Public Access Internet Host
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Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1992 17:35:03 GMT
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Lines: 150</p>
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<p> I made the following transcript from a tape recording
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of a broadcast by Pacifica Radio Network station
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WBAI-FM (99.5)
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505 Eighth Ave., 19th Fl.
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New York, NY 10018 (212) 279-0707</p>
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<p>* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
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(continuation)
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JIM MARRS:
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Which makes it all the more interesting that the day AFTER the
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assassination, in a memo from [FBI Director] J. Edgar Hoover, we
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are given a complete assessment of the reaction to the assassination
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by the anti-Castro <span class="NORP">Cuban</span> community, and it says at the bottom that
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this information was furnished orally by Mr. George Bush of the CIA.
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Well now, Bush has never responded to this, but some of his people
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have said: "Well, that was a different George Bush; that there is
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another George Bush and he's not the one who is now our president."
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However, since then, the other George Bush has been located and
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interviewed, and he says: "I was just a low-level analyst up in the
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northeast and I never had any contact with the anti-Castro <span class="NORP">Cubans</span>,
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so it certainly was not me." </p>
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<p> [JD: The CIA has a strict policy of concealing the names of all
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of its agents, even if it means committing perjury to do so.
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So, how did Bush's people find out that there is another
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George Bush who worked for the CIA? They found out because
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CIA officials violated their own laws by searching their own
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personnel files to luckily come up with another George Bush
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to pin the rap on in order to protect the real criminal who knew
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of the plot to assassinate President Kennedy and who, therefore,
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is an accessory to murder and high treason: George Herbert
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Walker Bush, of course.]</p>
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<p>So, that brings us back to George Herbert Walker Bush. And I might
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mention that I have personally spoken with a pilot who flew arms
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and ammunition for the Bay of Pigs invaders, and he says that one
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of the oil companies that was being used as a front to move arms
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and materiel for the Bay of Pigs invaders was Zapata Oil Company
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out of Midland, Texas, which was George Herbert Walker Bush.
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So, I think we see that George Herbert Walker Bush's connections
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with the Central Intelligence Agency go back far beyond what he
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has publicly admitted.</p>
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<p> [JD: I have corresponded with someone who told me that another
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company which participated in the Bay of Pigs Invasion was
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United Fruit Company which donated two of its banana boats to
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support the invasion. This person said that he witnessed the
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repair of the bullet-riddled deck of one of the boats.]</p>
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<p>JERRY POLICOFF:
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We also know that he generated dozens of memos, while he was the
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head of the Central Intelligence Agency, dealing with the
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assassination. And yet, he made a statement after the release of
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the movie, "JFK" that he was so satisfied with the findings of the
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Warren Commission that when he became Director of the CIA, he was
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never even curious and never looked at a single file.</p>
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<p>JIM MARRS:
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That's right. So, read his lips. He's telling us another lie.</p>
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<p>GARY NULL:
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Are either of you gentlemen familiar with the Council on Foreign
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Relations and the Trilateral Commission?</p>
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<p>JIM MARRS:
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Yes. I'm very familiar with them.</p>
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<p>GARY NULL:
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Are you familiar with all the different people from the networks,
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the media and the major corporations [who are members]?</p>
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<p>JIM MARRS:
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Yes. They comprise a very, very substantial number of people on
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the Trilateral Commission, which is, by the way, just kind of an
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off-growth or a revised edition of the old Council on Foreign
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Relations, which was more-or-less a secret group, and hence, was
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coming under more and more scrutiny. So, in order to get away from
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that, they founded the Trilateral Commission, for which they set
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up an office, they issue reports, and they're a little more above-ground.</p>
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<p>GARY NULL:
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That is a [David] <span class="PERSON">Rockefeller</span> group, right?</p>
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<p>JIM MARRS:
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Right. And George Bush was, and perhaps still is, a member of the
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Trilateral Commission.</p>
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<p>GARY NULL:
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There have consistently been allegations that this group is the
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group that has as its agenda this "One World Order". Even though
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that's no longer a secret -- and I think that the President and
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the media around him have used that to their advantage to talk
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about this "One World Order" -- WHOSE order is it? Whose world?
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By what design and what ideals are they planning it? And who are
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THEY? Then you start seeing that the "they", at every level, are
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the people who, coincidentally, happen to belong to this Trilateral
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Commission and this Council on Foreign Relations.</p>
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<p>In any case, I'm going to thank you very much, Jerry Policoff for
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an outstanding series of investigative reports. I think that, in
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some ways, the history of your own writing (because I read every
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one of your articles in GALLERY Magazine) ..... You should have
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had that published in a major magazine. But I'm sure that they
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would have rejected it, just as, for over two years, my first
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articles on the politics of cancer were rejected. And too, my
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subsequent "Medical Genocide" series, which to this day, I've
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never had to retract a single line. And there wasn't any person in
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that series who ever even threatened a lawsuit or a challenge that
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my information was inaccurate. And I REALLY rip up some major
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individuals and corporations for corruption and crimes of which I
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call "medical genocide". In forty-three articles over sixteen
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years, the only publications that would accept them, ironically,
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were OMNI and PENTHOUSE, not the best vehicle for mainstream
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America, but the only one that was available. So, I think that
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tells us that when you have something that seems to be too hot or
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too politically explosive, we don't have a forum for it to be
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taken seriously. And, of course, the easiest way for someone to
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dismiss something is to say:
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Did it appear on the major networks?
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No.
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Did it appear in TIME Magazine or in the New York Times?
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No.
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Then how can we take it seriously?</p>
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<p>JIM MARRS:
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Exactly! That is part of the control of the media.
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(to be continued)
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* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *</p>
|
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<p> If you agree that this story deserves broad public attention, please
|
||
|
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help to disseminate it by posting it to other bulletin boards,
|
||
|
|
and by posting hardcopies in public places, both on and off campus.
|
||
|
|
As evidence accrues concerning the corporate mass-media's thirty-year
|
||
|
|
cover-up of the corporate CIA's coup d'etat against the People of
|
||
|
|
the United States, the need for citizen reportage becomes
|
||
|
|
ever more striking.</p>
|
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<p> John DiNardo</p>
|
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<p>The episodes of this series can be retrieved via anonymous ftp from the sites:
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ftp.css.itd.umich.edu and red.css.itd.umich.edu
|
||
|
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Log in with name "anonymous" or "ftp" and supply your email address as the
|
||
|
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password. The files are kept in the directory /poli/Essays/Conspiracy
|
||
|
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(Instructions for ftp retrieval are dependent upon what sort of system
|
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|
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the user is on. On a UNIX machine, one would do, at the command prompt:
|
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ftp ftp.css.itd.umich.edu This may be different on IBMs and Vax systems.)
|
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Archivist: Paul Southworth, pauls@css.itd.umich.edu</p>
|
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<p>From jad@ckuxb.att.com Tue Dec 15 16:00:03 1992
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<span class="Message-ID"> 9212152100.AA10916@css.itd.umich.edu</span>
|
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From: jad@ckuxb.att.com
|
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 15:55 EST
|
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To: pauls@css.itd.umich.edu
|
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Status: O
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X-Status: </p>
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<p>Article 17829 of alt.conspiracy:
|
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Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk,alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,alt.society.civil-liberty,alt.individualism,alt.censorship,talk.politics.misc,misc.headlines,soc.culture.usa
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|
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From: jad@Turing.ORG (John DiNardo)
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Subject: Part 26, PACIFICA RADIO Investigates the Murder of President Kennedy
|
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<span class="Message-ID"> 1992Dec4.232418.2064@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU</span>
|
||
|
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Followup-To: alt.conspiracy.jfk
|
||
|
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Keywords: researchers' revelations about the assassination of President Kennedy
|
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Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU
|
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|
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Organization: The Turing Project, Public Access Internet Host
|
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Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1992 23:24:18 GMT
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<p> I made the following transcript from a tape recording
|
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of a broadcast by Pacifica Radio Network station
|
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WBAI-FM (99.5)
|
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505 Eighth Ave., 19th Fl.
|
||
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New York, NY 10018 (212) 279-0707</p>
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<p>* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
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(continuation)
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JIM MARRS:
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By the way, I want to extend my compliments to Jerry Policoff.
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Jerry, I have read your articles for years and years and years,
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and I have used them very extensively in my research. My
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compliments to you, sir.</p>
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<p>JERRY POLICOFF:
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Thank you. </p>
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<p>GARY NULL:
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Gentlemen, you're going to find out something brand new about the
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Kennedy Assassination. Next week, and on that show -- because you've
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both made substantial contributions of new information recently --
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I will have you conferenced in to listen to the new information.
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And it's going to shake people up when they hear this information,
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never before discussed or written about. No one has found out
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about it. That is coming up. And I think it will put a cap on this
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whole thing. Whether anything is ever done about it -- who knows.</p>
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<p>It's an amazing thing. You write a story. You research. You think
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it's really revolutionary. It will give new insights which should
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conduct new investigations. And then it comes, and the media
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doesn't do a thing. And it all goes by the bye. But we're going to
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do it in any case.</p>
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<p>By the way, I was just handed a note by our producer who has been
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working non-stop. I mean, he's putting in like 100-hour weeks on
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this [investigation]. He is Kevin McCrary, and he says that
|
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L. Fletcher Prouty is going to appear on our program later this
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week. So, he'll be able to tell us, in his own words, what he
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knows and what new information he knows, and new information which
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he has not revealed before. </p>
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<p>And I'm going to ask you, Jim Marrs if you'll make yourself
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available tomorrow, because we did not get to part two, which was
|
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the means, the motives and the opportunities .....</p>
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<p>JIM MARRS:
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Okay. Can I make one quick comment about the Garrison thing.
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At the time that the Garrison investigation and trial of Clay Shaw was
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going on, I was watching it very, very closely as a newsman. I was
|
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trying to be objective and I was trying to really look at it and see
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what was happening. And, of course, he said: "I've got a conspiracy
|
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by the tail. I've got individuals here. I'm filing charges on them.
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I'm taking them before a grand jury." In other words, he was taking
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them through the normal processes of law. Well, the national media
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elements within there, and even the Attorney General of the United
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States, were saying: "This guy is a nut. He's a fantacist. There's
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nothing there. He hasn't got a case." And, quite frankly, I didn't
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know who to believe. Today, you've got twenty years of hindsight,
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and you look back and you can see that MOST of what Jim Garrison
|
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..... and I'm like Jerry Policoff. I do not want to just blanketly
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defend Garrison, because there were a lot of problems with his
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prosecution in New Orleans, not all of which was his own doing.
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But, you look back after twenty years of hindsight and we find
|
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that most of what he was telling us: Guy Bannister, David Ferrie,
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the connection to Oswald, the anti-Castro <span class="NORP">Cubans</span> and the plotting
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that was going on in New Orleans in the summer of 1963 -- all of
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that has held up. It's historical fact. Even the House Select
|
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Committee on Assassinations was forced to conclude that most of
|
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that was substantiated. So now we KNOW who was telling the truth
|
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and who was lying.</p>
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<p>GARY NULL:
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Well, in point of fact, the judge and the jury said that when Clay
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Shaw won his case and Garrison was, in effect, put into the closet
|
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forever after that, and told to shut up, and the media did a
|
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hatchet-job on him, he didn't know that eleven members of his own
|
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staff were CIA plants.</p>
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<p>JIM MARRS:
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That's right. </p>
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<p>GARY NULL:
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He didn't know that Clay Shaw's counsel had every note, everything
|
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that they [Garrison] needed. And also, Clay Shaw lied. The man
|
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perjured himself. And he did so with the help of his CIA contacts,
|
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because later it did come out that Clay Shaw did, in FACT, work
|
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for the CIA. That is a matter of historical FACT. And the jury
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said that they would have convicted him had they known that. So...</p>
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<p>JIM MARRS:
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That's right. Also, he lied when he said that the did not know
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David Ferrie and had had no contact with him, because there is now,
|
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circulating among the research community, photographs of Clay Shaw
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and David Ferrie together at a party in New Orleans.</p>
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<p>GARY NULL:
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Yes. So, clearly, Garrison was right. The media was wrong. The
|
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Government participated in the massive cover-up at that level, and
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one very courageous prosecuting attorney was, unfortunately,
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disgraced at the time. And the American Public should know that.
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The man whom he brought to trial was a LIAR and was complicitous
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in much of the plot, and the Government knew it AT the time.
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<p>I want to thank you very much, Jerry Policoff and Jim Marrs, for
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being with us. This has been a continuation of our series,
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Hidden Agendas: Conspiracies, Cover-ups and Lies.
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(to be continued)
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* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *</p>
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<p> If you agree that this story deserves broad public attention, please
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assist in disseminating it by posting it to other bulletin boards,
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and by posting hardcopies in public places, both on and off campus.
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As evidence accrues concerning the corporate mass-media's thirty-year
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cover-up of the corporate CIA's coup d'etat against the People of
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the United States, the need for citizen reportage becomes
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ever more striking.</p>
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<p> John DiNardo</p>
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From: jad@Turing.ORG (John DiNardo)
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Subject: Part 27, PACIFICA RADIO Investigates the Murder of President Kennedy
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<span class="Message-ID"> 1992Dec8.212508.3461@mont.cs.missouri.edu</span>
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Followup-To: alt.conspiracy.jfk
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Keywords: researchers' revelations about the assassination of President Kennedy
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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1992 21:25:08 GMT
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Lines: 145</p>
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<p> I made the following transcript from a tape recording
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of a broadcast by Pacifica Radio Network station
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WBAI-FM (99.5)
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505 Eighth Ave., 19th Fl.
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New York, NY 10018 (212) 279-0707</p>
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<p>* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
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(continuation)
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JIM MARRS:
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.... intelligence organizations certainly did participate, and, as
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a result, the organization was forced to protect itself by helping
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to cover-up the crime. But, of course, it goes a little deeper
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than that because most of the people within those organizations
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felt that what happened, tragic though it was, was probably
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necessary for the good of the country because Kennedy was going
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in the face of much of their own beliefs and their own philosophies.</p>
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<p>JIM MARRS:
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Now, in the case of the FBI, there is no evidence to point to
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the [possible] fact that the FBI orchestrated or initiated the
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assassination. But there is all kinds of evidence to point to the
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fact that the FBI knew what was happening. Particularly, I refer
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to the FBI memo or alert -- the teletype alert that went out on
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the night before the assassination, warning that a radical group
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was going to assassinate Kennedy in Dallas. Those messages were
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subsequently picked up, and if it hadn't been for one clerk who
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had made a copy of them, we wouldn't have even a copy today, and
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they could effectively deny that it ever happened. But it did go
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out. So, the FBI, and particularly [FBI director J. Edgar] Hoover,
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I believe, was in knowledge of what was going to happen. And they
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simply sat back, allowed nature to take its course, and then
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definitely participated in activities after-the-fact which tended,
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not just to protect their own reputation, but to actually
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incriminate Oswald as the lone assassin, and create this whole story
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that we have today that is the official Government explanation.
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And the way they did that was in several ways.</p>
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<p>First off, there was an ongoing, demonstrable series of events
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which include destruction of evidence, suppression of evidence,
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alteration of evidence, fabrication of evidence and intimidation
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of witnesses. Throughout your series you've heard more and more
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about how documents were cooked, that people were intimidated into
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silence, and that people's testimony was changed.
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I'll cite you one good example: Edna and Wayne Hartman. This is a
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Dallas couple. They still live in Dallas today. They heard shots.
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They were nearby Dealey Plaza. When they heard the shots, they ran
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into Dealey Plaza. They saw a policeman and some plainclothesmen
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gathered on the south side of Elm Street. They ran down there and
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said: "What's going on?" They said: "Here is where some bullets
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hit in the grass." They looked, and they said that there was a
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long bullet furrow in the grass where a bullet had turned up the
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sod. In the FBI report, made that day, it states all of this, and
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it goes on to say that they told the FBI that the bullet furrow
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lined up with the Texas School Book Depository. Okay? Oswald, in
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the Depository, missed a shot. Furrow in the ground. That all
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makes sense. The problem is that that is NOT what they [the Hartmans]
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told them. When I was preparing my book, CROSSFIRE, instead of
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just taking the Government's documents at face value, which seems
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to be the way to do it today (at least that's what the major news
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organizations are doing), I called the Hartmans. And they were
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absolutely SHOCKED and amazed when I read them this FBI report
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which, keep in mind, was part of the fundamental, raw investigative
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material that the Warren Commission used to reach their conclusions.
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Because THEY [the Hartmans] said: "That's not what we told them at
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all. We told them that the bullet furrow lined up with the GRASSY
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KNOLL on the north side of Elm Street." So here we have a clear
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example of FBI documents that were being cooked, back in 1963 and
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'64, to slant away from the truth of the assassination.</p>
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<p>And lastly, Gary, I'll just make this one point. When you interfere
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with a lawful investigation of felony crimes, such as murder, that
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makes you an accessory-after-the-fact. And under the law, an
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accessory-after-the-fact is just as guilty of the crime as the
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person[s] who pulled the trigger[s]. So, in this case, the
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evidence is very clear. And I can say, with great impunity, that
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the FBI was GUILTY of being an accessory-after-the-fact and,
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therefore, is guilty of the crime of participating in the murder
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of President John Fitzgerald Kennedy.</p>
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<p>GARY NULL:
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Okay, let's go on to include in this ..... [tape interruption]
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..... [FBI director J. Edgar Hoover] used the FBI to break the
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law, in the case of Martin Luther King, with illegal wiretaps to
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learn about his sex life so they could use it against him. This
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was a man who was in Dallas. Let's be very clear on this. The
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American Public is not aware of this. He was in Dallas on the day
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of the assassination. Let's also ask the following ... and give me
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very clear information on this, if you can:</p>
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<p> "Division Five of the FBI: Nomenclature of the Assassination Cable"</p>
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<p>JIM MARRS:
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Well that's "the Torbit Document." Right?</p>
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<p>GARY NULL:
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Yes. "Division Five of the FBI."</p>
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<p>JIM MARRS:
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It talks about Division Five. There was a Division Five. It was
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counter-intelligence. But I think what you're getting at is the
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allegations. And I'll have to stress, Gary, that at this point --
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I have dug into this at considerable length -- and while I have
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found tantalizing evidence that perhaps this is so, I cannot
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categorically state, at this point, that this has been proven.
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But the allegations are that within Division Five of the FBI was
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the capability of assassination -- that they had hit-men on their
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payroll, operating out of their Mexico City office, which, by the
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way, has always intrigued me because the FBI is supposed to be a
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domestic law enforcement and intelligence organization. It is not
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supposed to be operating outside of the United States. And yet,
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ever since before World War Two, the largest FBI office in the
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world is in Mexico City. So we definitely have some things going
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on there. And the allegation is that they had these hit-men who
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operated out of Mexico City. This has come forth in several cases,
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particularly here in Texas, such as the Buddy Floyd murder case,
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where the allegation was that these hit-men out of the FBI's
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Mexico City office were being brought into this country to perform
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assassinations for wealthy and powerful people who were very close
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to J. Edgar Hoover.</p>
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<p>GARY NULL:
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Okay. Those are allegations, not proven facts. We want to make
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that clear for the sake of objectivity. But we do want to state
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that it is a fact that Division Five did exist.</p>
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<p>JIM MARRS:
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That's true. And it was headed by William Sullivan who -- in 1977,
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when he was about to be called before the House Select Committee
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on Assassinations -- walked out in his back yark and was shot in
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the head by the son of a New Hampshire State patrolman.
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(to be continued)
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* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *</p>
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<p> If you agree that this story deserves broad public attention, please
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help to disseminate it by posting it to other bulletin boards,
|
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|
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and by posting hardcopies in public places, both on and off campus.
|
||
|
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As evidence accrues concerning the corporate mass-media's thirty-year
|
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|
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cover-up of the corporate CIA's coup d'etat against the People of
|
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|
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the United States, the need for citizen reportage becomes
|
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ever more striking.</p>
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<p> John DiNardo</p>
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<p>From jad@ckuxb.att.com Tue Dec 15 15:59:54 1992
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From: jad@ckuxb.att.com
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 15:54 EST
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From: jad@Turing.ORG (John DiNardo)
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Subject: Part 28, PACIFICA RADIO Investigates the Murder of President Kennedy
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<span class="Message-ID"> 1992Dec14.191408.8449@mont.cs.missouri.edu</span>
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Followup-To: alt.conspiracy.jfk
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Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 19:14:08 GMT
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<p> I made the following transcript from a tape recording
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of a broadcast by Pacifica Radio Network station
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WBAI-FM (99.5)
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505 Eighth Ave., 19th Fl.
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New York, NY 10018 (212) 279-0707</p>
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<p>* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
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(continuation)
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JIM MARRS:
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And the local sheriff said that he knew both the son of the
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patrolman and Sullivan, so he felt like he was too close to the
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case. So he turned over the investigation of this particular
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incident to the local game warden. I've seen a copy of the report,
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and it's simply checked where it says:
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"Victim: Animal or Human."
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They checked "Human". And that was about the extent of the
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investigation.</p>
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<p>GARY NULL:
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Now, keep in mind that Sullivan was one of the former top heads
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of the FBI. In fact, outside of Hoover, he was probably the second
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most powerful member of the FBI.</p>
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<p>JIM MARRS:
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That's true. And he has stated some things that are very
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eye-opening. One of the reasons why he left the FBI is because he
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said that Hoover was concentrating more on inflated statistics and
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figures about the American Communist Party than he did on
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Organized Crime.</p>
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<p>GARY NULL:
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By the way, let's also remember this. It's up to the Public to
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decide whether they feel that this is coincidence or not:
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William Sullivan, Louis Nichols, Alan H. Belmont, James Caddigan,
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J.N. English, and Donald Kaylor[sp] ALL understood what was going
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on, or had information concerning the Kennedy Assassination.
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ALL died under mysterious circumstances in 1977.</p>
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<p>JIM MARRS:
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That's true. All within a period of a few months, and all BEFORE
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they could be [were about to be] brought to testify before the
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House Select Committee on Assassinations.</p>
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<p>GARY NULL:
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And I think it stretches credulity to assume that all of these men
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from one organization -- all of whom were going to testify --
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would all die accidentally in the ways that they did: one man being
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shot in his backyard in a suburban home; and the man who shot him
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said he thought that [Sullivan] was a deer. I mean, come on.
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Give us a break. Now the New York Times CERTAINLY would accept
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that logic and rationale, and we understand how the New York Times
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would accept that. And Dan Rather may accept that a man in his
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backyard looks like a deer. We don't!</p>
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<p> [JD: I've heard of a book (it might be "BETRAYAL") that states
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that Walter Cronkite and perhaps Dan Rather (I'm not sure) are
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among the people whom the CIA employs as journalistic "assets."
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Can anyone cite and quote such published accusations and their
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sources?]</p>
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<p>And we're offended by this kind of explanation that has gone on,
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and has NEVER been explored by the mass media in any major way.
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It's just been ACCEPTED that way.</p>
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<p>Now, let's go to the case of Richard Case Nagle and the registered
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letter to J. Edgar Hoover about the assassination.</p>
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<p>JIM MARRS:
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Yes. Richard Case Nagle may be the real Rosetta stone to
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understanding the assassination or, if not to understanding the
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assassination, certainly to understanding the role of Lee Harvey
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Oswald in this whole thing. Basically, Nagle was a decorated
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Korean War veteran who late became an agent for the Central
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Intelligence Agency, and eventually claimed to have ended up being
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a double-agent working for the Soviet KGB. He said that in mid-1963,
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his KGB superiors contacted him and said that they had become
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aware of a plot to kill President Kennedy, and that they wanted
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him to work his way in there, find out what was going on, and put
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a stop to it because it could reflect very adversely on Russia and
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could make it look like the Communists were behind the thing.
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And they didn't want to run that kind of risk. </p>
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<p>So, he was sent to New Orleans where he made contact with a man
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whom he claimed he had known from U.S. intelligence over in Japan.
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And that was Lee Harvey Oswald! They met in Jackson Square.
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And, of course, here's Nagle posing as a KGB agent, so he can't
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very well just say: "Hey, I'm really one of you," because he knows
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that Oswald is a guy whom he had know in Japan, but he hadn't known
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him that well. And besides, who knows what had gone on in the
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intervening years? So I'm sure he was probably still trying to
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maintain his cover. But he basically told Oswald that Oswald was
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in a very dangerous situation, and that he thought that Oswald
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thought he had penetrated a pro-Castro plot to kill the President.
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But, in reality, he was mixed up with anti-Castro <span class="NORP">Cubans</span> who were
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posing as pro-Castro <span class="NORP">Cubans</span>, and who were involving him in this
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plot to kill the President. He said that he got a very negative
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reaction from Oswald; kind of like: Oh, yeah? That's interesting;
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and a don't-call-me-I'll-call-you type of attitude.</p>
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<p>Now, what's interesting here is that this gets into the whole
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issue of: Was the Oswald in New Orleans and the Oswald in Dallas
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-- was this the real Lee Harvey Oswald? And it gets into a bizarre
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series of situations. But there is plenty of evidence to suggest
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that the Oswald in New Orleans in the summer of '63 and in Dallas
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<p>Nagle is very circuitously trying to warn Oswald, believing that
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this is the same guy he knew in Japan, and that he would recognize
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intelligence. And yet, if it was NOT the same Oswald -- and there
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hesitant to believe him or to act on his information.</p>
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<p>So that's the Nagle story, and I think it pretty well pinpoints
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the role of Oswald. Oswald, as his mother and his wife had both
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publicly stated, was a U.S. Government agent. He was posing as a
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pro-Castroite and as a pro-Communist to infiltrate groups that he
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felt were pro-Communist groups. In this instance, I think he had
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been picked up by one of the more violent anti-Castro groups who
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played him along and helped set him up as the "patsy"
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in the assassination.
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(to be continued)
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* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *</p>
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<p> If you agree that this story deserves broad public attention, please
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help to disseminate it by posting it to other bulletin boards,
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and by posting hardcopies in public places, both on and off campus.
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As evidence accrues concerning the corporate mass-media's thirty-year
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cover-up of the corporate CIA's coup d'etat against the People of
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the United States, the need for citizen reportage becomes
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ever more striking.</p>
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<p> John DiNardo</p>
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<p>From jad@ckuxb.att.com Ukn Jan 18 12:20:58 1993
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<p>Article 19250 of alt.conspiracy:
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Subject: Part 29, PACIFICA RADIO Investigates the Murder of President Kennedy
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<span class="Message-ID"> 1993Jan16.001536.7765@mont.cs.missouri.edu</span>
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Followup-To: alt.conspiracy.jfk
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Originator: rich@pencil.cs.missouri.edu
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Keywords: researchers' revelations about the assassination of President Kennedy
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Nntp-Posting-Host: pencil.cs.missouri.edu
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Organization: UVA. FREE Public Access UNIX!
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Lines: 144</p>
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<p> I made the following transcript from a tape recording
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of a broadcast by Pacifica Radio Network station
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WBAI-FM (99.5)
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505 Eighth Ave., 19th Fl.
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New York, NY 10018 (212) 279-0707</p>
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<p>* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
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(continuation)
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GARY NULL:
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Alright, we're going to recapitulate here for a moment, and then I
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want to go on with some of the other scenarios involved in all this.
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I want to take a look at renegade CIA cliques. I also want to
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examine right-wing extremists and Organized Crime. I want to take
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a very careful look at Sam Giancana and Johnny Roselli and some
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of the other people involved.</p>
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<p>JIM MARRS:
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Don't forget the Military.</p>
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<p>GARY NULL:
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We're going to come to the Military, and also some of the people
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who have never really been brought out yet; and that is, I want to
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see the Howard Hughes challenge -- the challenge that Howard
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Hughes may have had a role in this. We're going to look at that.
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We're also going to look at some couriers and some communications
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experts and some possible hit-men. So, all of this is going to
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be laid out, hopefully, during the remainder of the program --
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time permitting.</p>
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<p>JIM MARRS:
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Gary, before we end this program today, let's not forget to discuss
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what I think is the most important thing, which is the common
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connecting point, the nexus between all of these groups. And there
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IS a connecting point. And it is intriguing. And I think it points
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the way toward the solution of who was behind the assassination.</p>
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<p>GARY NULL:
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We will get to that in just a minute. Just to summarize, we are
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talking about J. Edgar Hoover. We have ruled out, at this point,
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and I feel that history and all the evidence completely rules out
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that the Soviets were involved. Premier Nikita Kruschev, KGB
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Chairman Yuri Andropov, KGB American expert-turned-defector Yuri
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Nosinkov[sp], Marina Pruskovka[sp] Oswald, Oswald's control agent
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Albert Osborne, and even the Latin leftist guerillas coordinated
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by "the second Oswald", code-named Alec Heidel[sp] a trained KGB
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assassin. These people simply did not directly participate.
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There's no evidence. We've ruled them out.</p>
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<p>We have certainly ruled in J. Edgar Hoover as knowing about it.
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That's clear. ... certain other FBI agents knowing about it, and
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the FBI being FORCED, upon the mandate of Hoover, to participate in
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the cover-up, based upon the Warren Commission stating that it was
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the FBI that was to provide all the information to the Warren
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Commission through all the interviews. We have repeated references
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to them altering evidence, destroying evidence, tampering with
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evidence, intimidating witnesses, threatening witnesses .....
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And that is not a matter of speculation. That is a matter of fact,
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and is demonstrable by [the terms of] law. So, clearly, they
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are one of the lead characters.</p>
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<p>In a moment, we're going to go on with our special investigation.
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I'm Gary Null. Kevin McCreary is the co-producer on this. </p>
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<p>....... [passages lost due to tape ending]</p>
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<p>..... stories in the media are simply spurious and speculative,
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and they've even gone so far as to try to denigrate anyone who
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would come up with an idea other than Oswald acting alone. Thus far,
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however, there's absolutely NO evidence -- no hard evidence -- that
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Oswald was involved in the assassination WHATSOEVER. So let's take
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a look now ..... Why don't we go to the Military?</p>
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<p>JIM MARRS:
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Well, I think this may be one of the key factors because if you'll
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stop and think about it in its broadest scope, you'll understand
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that there was absolutely no way that there could be any kind of
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large-scale assassination conspiracy that did not, in some way,
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take into account the Military, because the Military is the armed
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force in this country. I mean, as we saw in the Los Angeles riots,
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when the local authorities can't handle the situation, the Military
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moves in. And they would have done this in 1963 if there had been
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some large-scale coup that did not include them. You have to, at
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least, neutralize the Military, if not have them actively on your
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side -- which was done.</p>
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<p>Now -- we're getting to the nub of it now, Gary, because people who
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have studied this assassination in great detail say: "Well, was it
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the FBI? Was it the CIA? Was it the Mafia? Was it the anti-Castro
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<span class="NORP">Cubans</span>? Was it the Military?" And this particular line of
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questioning has kept us confused for a good number of years because
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the truthful answer is: "YES! It was ALL of them!" Now, you say:
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"Oh, my God! Now you're talking about a huge, massive conspiracy.
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And nobody could have kept quiet about that." </p>
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<p>No. That's not what I'm talking about. But I'm talking about
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"Operation Mongoose." There was a connection, a nexus point, back
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in the early '60s -- in '61, '62. And it was "Operation Mongoose:
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The Secret War Against Castro." Most of this is now historical
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record. The Senate Intelligence Committee, under [Sen. Frank] Church
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[D.-Idaho] and those -- Sen. Gary Hart [D.-Colorado], developed this
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information back in the early '70s. It was all in the newspapers.
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It has all been established. The plot: "The Secret War Against
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Castro", was headed out of the JIMWAVE[sp] Station (which is a CIA
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acronym) on the campus of the University of Miami. It involved
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anti-Castro <span class="NORP">Cubans</span>, CIA agents, military officers, Mafia people ...
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And THERE we have the common ground, the commonality, the nexus
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point at which they were all operating together.</p>
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<p>And what were they doing? They were mixed up in plots to overthrow
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Cuba, and they were mixed up in plots specifically to assassinate
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[<span class="NORP">Cuban</span> Premier] Fidel Castro. That's historical fact. Why is it
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such a big leap in understanding to realize that these same people,
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who were trained and who were gearing up to kill Castro, suddenly
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were just directed to Dallas? Because the common thought at that
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time was that the problem really was in the White House and not in
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Cuba; that we COULD attack Cuba, we could knock over Fidel Castro
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IF we had a president and an administration that was willing
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to do that.
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(to be continued)
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* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *</p>
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<p> If you agree that this story deserves broad public attention,
|
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|
|
please help to disseminate it by posting it to computer
|
||
|
|
bulletin boards, and by posting hardcopies in public places,
|
||
|
|
both on and off campus. As evidence accrues concerning the
|
||
|
|
corporate mass media's thirty year cover-up of the corporate
|
||
|
|
CIA's coup d'etat against the People of the United States,
|
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the need for citizen reportage becomes ever more striking.</p>
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<p> John DiNardo</p>
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<p>The episodes of this and other series can be retrieved
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via anonymous ftp from the site:
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red.css.itd.umich.edu
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Log in with name "anonymous" or "ftp" and supply your e-mail address as
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the password. The files are kept in the directory /poli/Essays/Conspiracy</p>
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<p>Instructions for ftp retrieval are dependent upon what sort of system the
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user is on. On a UNIX machine, at the command prompt, type the following:
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ftp red.css.itd.umich.edu This may be different on IBMs and Vax systems.
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Archivist: Paul Southworth, pauls@css.itd.umich.edu</p>
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<p>From jad@ckuxb.att.com Ukn Jan 21 13:36:39 1993
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id AA14161; Thu, 21 Jan 93 13:36:37 -0500
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<span class="Message-ID"> 9301211836.AA14161@css.itd.umich.edu</span>
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To: pauls@css.itd.umich.edu
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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 13:32:41 EST
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From: jad@ckuxb.att.com
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Status: RO
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<p>Article 19484 of alt.conspiracy:
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Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,alt.society.civil-liberty,alt.individualism,alt.censorship,misc.headlines,soc.culture.usa,misc.activism.progressive
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Subject: Part 30, PACIFICA RADIO Investigates the Murder of President Kennedy
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<span class="Message-ID"> 1993Jan20.223054.12083@mont.cs.missouri.edu</span>
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Followup-To: alt.conspiracy.jfk
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Originator: rich@pencil.cs.missouri.edu
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Keywords: researchers' revelations about the assassination of President Kennedy
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Sender: news@mont.cs.missouri.edu
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Nntp-Posting-Host: pencil.cs.missouri.edu
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Organization: UVA. FREE Public Access UNIX!
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Approved: map@pencil.cs.missouri.edu
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Lines: 181</p>
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<p> I made the following transcript from a tape recording
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of a broadcast by Pacifica Radio Network station
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WBAI-FM (99.5)
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505 Eighth Ave., 19th Fl.
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New York, NY 10018 (212) 279-0707</p>
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<p>* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
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(continuation)
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JIM MARRS [author of CROSSFIRE]:
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Now, here's another key point. A few years ago, I was in Alpa 66
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Headquarters in Miami. This is one of the oldest and most violent
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of the anti-Castro organizations. And I was talking to some of
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those people and they were reminiscing about those days. And
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something came up about Johnny Roselli, the very TOP-ranking Mafia
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guy, and he was. He was a very high-ranking man in the Organized
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Crime field. He was kind of the Henry Kissinger of Organized Crime
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in that he would travel between the crime families and help make
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deals and help make peace between the crime families. This is a TOP-ranking position. And these people in Alpha 66 said that they were
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amazed, in recent years, to learn that Johnny Roselli was this
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Mafia chieftain, because back at the time of "Operation Mongoose,"
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they only knew him as "Colonel Roselli." And Colonel Roselli had
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full military credentials, flew in military aircraft piloted by
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military personnel, and was an integral part, and a leader of this
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secret war to kill Castro and to change governments in Cuba.</p>
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<p>So, here now .... and of course the fact that the CIA and the Mafia
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were working together in these assassination plots has been well
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established. It too is absolute historical fact. So what we have
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here is ... we have a situation just prior to the assassination of
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President Kennedy, where the Mafia, the CIA, the anti-Castro <span class="NORP">Cubans</span>
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and the MILITARY are all actively working together on a variety of
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schemes which include assassination. And I think THAT may be the
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key to this whole thing.</p>
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<p>GARY NULL:
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Okay. Let's take it a little deeper now. That's some of the basic
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scenarios. I still want to go into some of the people in specifics.
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When it comes to the Military, let's look at that time, at Kennedy
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and Viet Nam, and the military-industrial complex at that time.</p>
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<p>JIM MARRS:
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Exactly. Dwight D. Eisenhower, in his farewell address, warned us
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against the acquisition of power, whether overtly or covertly, by
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what he called the "military-industrial complex." And the military-industrial complex is MUCH broader, much more powerful than anyone
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I think, even myself, could imagine because, basically, the
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military-industrial complex equates to the Status Quo. And never
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underestimate the power of the Status Quo. I like to think of
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myself as an educated, thoughtful, broad-minded intellectual-type
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person. And yet, I'll be the first to admit that there are certain
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things that I become very set in my ways about. I like my hamburger
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built a certain way, and that's the way I get it. We all are like
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that. We all settle into our comfortable lives and comfortable
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routines that we are familiar and comfortable with. Okay?
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This is the status quo, and it's tough to get out of there.</p>
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<p>In 1941, we went onto a full-scale war economy, and we are just now
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making the first beginning steps to try to get off of that. And
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it's very painful. It's causing a lot of problems. Down here in my
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home state of Texas we're really being hurt by the fact that some
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of these military bases are being closed, some of the big defense
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industries are laying people off. It's a painful process, but it's
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gone on all through history. Once you create a giant military force,
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that force just doesn't want to go away. And it doesn't go away by
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itself. It takes time. It takes effort. Sometimes it's very painful.
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And I think that's what Eisenhower was talking about. And we've
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been under this military-industrial complex ever since.</p>
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<p>The intelligence agencies -- the CIA, the DIA, the NSA -- some of
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these twenty-two intelligence agencies, that we have operating in
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this country to this very day, are simply the security arm of this
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military-industrial complex. And the military-industrial complex,
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needless to say, is not going to look kindly on anyone who would
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try to dismantle it. And yet, if we go back and look at the record,
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we find that essentially, this is exactly what John F. Kennedy was
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trying to do.</p>
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<p>After the Bay of Pigs [Invasion] and after the <span class="NORP">Cuban</span> Missile Crisis,
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he signed off on National Security Action Memoranda 55, 56 and 57.
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And basically, the bottom line of these memoranda was to bring
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control over the CIA back under the Military. He said that the
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Joint Chiefs-of-Staff would be held responsible for any military or
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even quasi-military activities that took place in the World that
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was initiated by the United States. So this was an attempt to bring
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the CIA back under the control of the Military.</p>
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<p>In National Security Action Memorandum 263, we see that he approved
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the recommendations of the [Secretary of Defense Robert] McNamara
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Report which stated that we could have all United States military
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personnel out of Southeast Asia by the end of 1965, and, in fact,
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he ordered the withdrawal of one thousand military advisors by the
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end of 1963. These were his beginning steps to disengage from Viet
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Nam. John Newman, an eighteen-year veteran of military intelligence,
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has written a book titled JFK IN VIET NAM. And in there, based on
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actual National Security Council minutes, actual orders that are on
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file, he showed, beyond any question, that Kennedy was not just
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THINKING about pulling us out of Viet Nam, but he had actually
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ORDERED that event, and that we had begun to move in that direction.</p>
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<p>Of course, after he was killed, his successor, Lyndon Johnson,
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signed National Security Memorandum 273, which quietly and subtly
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said that there would be no troop decrease from the time of the
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Diem Government, which was November the first. That was a subtle
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way of blocking Kennedy's pull-out order. And no meaningful drop in
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U.S. presence took place in Viet Nam. </p>
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<p>And then, of course, in '64, while the Warren Commission was
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putting the finishing touches on their report that said Oswald ws
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the lone nut assassin, we had the phony Gulf of Tonkin Incident,
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and Johnson managed to push through a panicked Congress the Gulf of
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Tonkin Resolution -- which abrogates the Constitution of the United
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States, which says that only Congress shall have the power to
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declare war -- and gave those war-making powers to Johnson himself.
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And off we went into a ten-year war that was very much desired by
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the U.S. Military and by their attendant groups, their security
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agencies, the intelligence groups, and also by the defense
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industries and the bankers who supported them. And it's wide! It's
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pervasive! It reaches into every state in this Union.
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(to be continued)
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* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * </p>
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<p> As the elaborately concocted smokescreen fades away from the
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faces of the gang of murderers who perpetrated this, THE
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highest crime of treason in the history of the United States,
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we stand flabbergasted and enraged to realize the enormity of
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the traitors' crimes. They have scattered the brains of the
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People's President onto the streets of an American city.
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They have, just as cold-bloodedly, murdered (what is it?)
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two hundred or so people, from CIA agent Oswald to Sam Holland
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to columnist Dorothy Kilgallen to Senator Robert F. Kennedy. </p>
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<p> They have perpetrated a ten-year holocaust comprising the
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slaughter of over fifty-eight thousand sons of America, the
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wounding and maiming (both physically and psychologically)
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of maybe a quarter of a million more of us who served in that
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beautiful country transformed into one great hellish inferno;
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the absolute genocide (and there's no more accurate word for
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it than "genocide") of two million valiant peasants, who
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staunchly sacrificed everything, including themselves, to free
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their country from the clutches of a brutal invader. </p>
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<p> There are <span class="NORP">Vietnamese</span> babies born every day now with arms growing
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out of their chests. Those people are suffering the myriad horrors
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of nature's processes gone wild -- all because Dow Chemical
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Company wanted to save the few bucks needed to purge dioxin
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from the tons and tons of Agent Orange defoliant with which
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the genocidal profiteers drenched the <span class="NORP">Vietnamese</span> countryside.
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So they soaked the American taxpayer for Agent Orange enriched
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with dioxin -- about the most toxic chemical known to all life
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-- and they soaked American boys and <span class="NORP">Vietnamese</span> people with tons
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of death from the skies; not instant death, like the 1000-pound bombs that rained down daily, but slow, torturous,
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agonized death -- death, or a lifetime of suffering for Viet
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Nam's future mothers and their babies, who would live out
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their short lives with deformed bodies and incurable cancers;
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and these horrors will be revisited upon all succeeding
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generations, to the horizons of time.</p>
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<p> A brilliant WBAI political scholar and humanitarian named Leo
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Cawley was representative of the multitudes of American victims of
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that war. Leo was a combat Marine who suffered for twenty years
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until his death from Dow Chemical's lucrative defoliant/depopulant.
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But even as he withered away, Leo condemned Bush's Persian Gulf
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War with passion and compassion. We could all give at least a
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bit of our time and energy to organizing against tomorrow's
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holocausts for the sake of tomorrow's victims, and in memory
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of yesterday's victims.</p>
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<p> The evil men of the military-industrial complex and their CIA
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will never be brought to trial. But that's okay. We're working
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toward a higher form of justice than even the rectification of
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the U.S. Government's farcical facade of a justice system could
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possibly imply. We're striving, not to throw these genocidists
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into jail cells, but rather, to defeat their system of evil before
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they can launch more such genocidal adventures like the ones in
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Korea, Viet Nam, Angola, Lebanon, Grenada, Panama, Kuwait and Iraq.</p>
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<p> John DiNardo
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</p>
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<p>From jad@ckuxb.att.com Ukn Jan 27 10:27:16 1993
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id AA20727; Wed, 27 Jan 93 10:27:13 -0500
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<span class="Message-ID"> 9301271527.AA20727@css.itd.umich.edu</span>
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To: pauls@css.itd.umich.edu
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Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 10:13:44 EST
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From: jad@ckuxb.att.com
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Status: RO
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X-Status: </p>
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<p>Article 19745 of alt.conspiracy:
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Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,alt.society.civil-liberty,alt.individualism,alt.censorship,misc.headlines,soc.culture.usa,misc.activism.progressive
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Subject: Part 31, PACIFICA RADIO Investigates the Murder of President Kennedy
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<span class="Message-ID"> 1993Jan26.225929.7810@mont.cs.missouri.edu</span>
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Followup-To: alt.conspiracy.jfk
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Originator: rich@pencil.cs.missouri.edu
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Keywords: researchers' revelations about the assassination of President Kennedy
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Sender: news@mont.cs.missouri.edu
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Nntp-Posting-Host: pencil.cs.missouri.edu
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Organization: UVA. FREE Public Access UNIX!
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Approved: map@pencil.cs.missouri.edu
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Lines: 150</p>
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<p> I made the following transcript from a tape recording
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of a broadcast by Pacifica Radio Network station
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WBAI-FM (99.5)
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505 Eighth Ave., 19th Fl.
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New York, NY 10018 (212) 279-0707</p>
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<p>* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
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(continuation)
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JIM MARRS:
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Probably, a healthy percentage of the population of this country
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derives their direct income, in one way or another, from this
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military-industrial state, either working directly for the
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Government, or through military pensions, or through active military
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[duty], or through the defense contractors or, even from small
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companies that produce shoelaces for combat boots, pins for hand
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grenades, etcetera. I'm not sure we're even yet in a position to
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really, truthfully evaluate the impact of the military-industrial
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complex on this country.</p>
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<p>But now, was there any tie-in to the assassination by the Military?
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Absolutely! James Powell, a military intelligence agent, made the
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mistake of going into the Texas School Book Depository before it
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was sealed off by police. And once it was, he had to show his
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credentials before he could get out. So he became part of the
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permanent record. And you may well ask: What was an Army intelligence
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agent doing in the School Book Depository at the time of the Kennedy
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Assassination? You might also ask why he was outside taking
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photographs of the Texas School Book Depository Building at the
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time of the assassination when most people were not even aware of
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what had gone on, or who was involved, or even of the fact that the
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School Book Depository would be identified as the place where the
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sniper had fired from. .....</p>
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<p> [brief discontinuity due to tape ending]</p>
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<p>..... [photos] taken six and eight minutes after the assassination
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took place. And they show that there's still somebody up there
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moving boxes on the sixth floor. The other key thing that I would
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point to was found in the Dallas Police files. We have Lieutenant
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Rebell of the Dallas Police. He went back to police headquarters
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from the Book Depository and typed up a list of Book Depository
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employees. And this was done within, probably, thirty minutes after
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the assassination -- even before they had Oswald arrested. And
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HEADING the list of School Book Depository employees was Harvey Lee
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Oswald. And it gave his address as 605 Elsbeth. Okay? Now, the
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problem is, of course, as we know, it was Lee Harvey Oswald. And
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his address that he gave in his application for employment to the
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Book Depository was the West Fifth address of the Paine house out
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in Irving, where his wife was staying. Okay? Nowhere on his records
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at the Book Depository was this Elsbeth address. In fact, Oswald
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HAD lived at 60'2' Elsbeth in the late fall of '62 and early '63,
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but he did not put that down on any of his material at the Book
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Depository. So where did the Dallas Police Intelligence Chief Rebell
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get this "Harvey Lee Oswald" and where did he get "60'5' Elsbeth"?</p>
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<p>Well, he told the Warren Commission that he rode back from Dealey
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Plaza to the police station with a military intelligence agent.
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Recently, he told a news reporter down here in Texas that not only
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was this a military intelligence agent, he was an O.N.I. agent,
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Office of Naval Intelligence. And, of course, it's been well-accepted that if Oswald played some role in intelligence, he
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probably started off in the Office of Naval Intelligence, since he
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was a Marine, and the Marines are under the Navy Department. Okay?</p>
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<p>Now, in 1978, the House Select Committee on Assassinations contacted
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a Colonel Jones of Fourth Army Intelligence. And he said that on
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the day of the assassination he got word from some of his people
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in Dallas that they had arrested a fellow and that his name was
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Alex J. Heidel. He told Congress that he checked with Fourth Army
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Military Intelligence files and found that Alex J. Heidel cross-referenced to Lee Harvey Oswald, and it gave his address as "60'5'
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Elsbeth. So the SAME mistaken address that turned up on Lieutenant
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Rebell's Dallas Police Intelligence sheet of School Book Depository
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employees turns up in Fourth Army Intelligence files. And Rebell
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says he rode back to Dallas Police Headquarters with an O.N.I agent.</p>
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<p>Now -- what does that tell us? That tells us that it was the
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MILITARY in Dallas, on November the 22nd, that was tipping off the
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Dallas Police that the suspect they were after was Lee Harvey Oswald.</p>
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<p>GARY NULL:
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That's DYNAMITE material! By God, if that ..... I don't think that
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people know HOW important this information is! This clearly focuses
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-- telescopes in on specific areas and people that we should be
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paying attention to.</p>
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<p>JIM MARRS:
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Right. And it goes far beyond simply renegades within the CIA, or
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a dissident FBI agent over here, or some Mob hit-men. Now, I don't
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think there's any question. It is obvious. There's evidence that
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there are Mafia people mixed up in the assassination. I think that
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if you want to go get hired killers, that's the place where you
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would start. I don't think there's any question about that. I don't
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think there's any question that there is a CIA involvement in all
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of this.</p>
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<p>But the thing is -- somewhere it had to come together. Somewhere
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there had to be a connecting point. And I believe that the Military,
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and particularly the groups and the individuals in and around
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"Operation Mongoose" probably were this connecting point.</p>
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<p>GARY NULL:
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Alright. Let's take a look at a few other people here.
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Give us your opinions of what, if any, role the following people
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had, or of what knowledge they may have had concerning the
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assassination: The fired Bay of Pigs architect, General Charles
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Cabell.
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JIM MARRS:
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Alright. I don't think it was just a coincidence that the day of
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the assassination, Cabell, who had been fired by Kennedy as the
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Deputy Director of the CIA, had simply moved back into the Pentagon,
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resumed his duties there and his rank there, and, in fact, was kind
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of in hot water because he had publicly branded his commander-in-chief, the President of the United States John F. Kennedy, a traitor.
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Okay? If he truly believed that -- and he had to believe that, or
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he wouldn't have said that publicly about his superior -- then you
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can see that he would have no trouble in justifying the
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death sentence for "a traitor". </p>
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<p>And I don't think it was a coincidence that his brother, Earl Cabell
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was Mayor of Dallas that day. As such, he was one of the prominent
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and important politicians who helped guide things and make decisions
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that were taken in respect to Kennedy's visit there.
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(to be continued)
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* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *</p>
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<p> If you agree that this story deserves broad public attention,
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please help to disseminate it by posting it to computer
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bulletin boards, and by posting hardcopies in public places,
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both on and off campus. As evidence accrues concerning the
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corporate mass media's thirty year cover-up of the corporate
|
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CIA's coup d'etat against the People of the United States,
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the need for citizen reportage becomes ever more striking.</p>
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<p> John DiNardo</p>
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<p>The episodes of this and other series can be retrieved
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via anonymous ftp from the site:
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red.css.itd.umich.edu
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Log in with name "anonymous" or "ftp" and supply your e-mail address as
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the password. The files are kept in the directory /poli/Essays/Conspiracy</p>
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<p>Instructions for ftp retrieval are dependent upon what sort of system the
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user is on. On a UNIX machine, at the command prompt, type the following:
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ftp red.css.itd.umich.edu This may be different on IBMs and Vax systems.
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Archivist: Paul Southworth, pauls@css.itd.umich.edu</p>
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<p>From jad@ckuxb.att.com Ukn Feb 3 08:16:54 1993
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id AA08899; Wed, 3 Feb 93 08:16:51 -0500
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<span class="Message-ID"> 9302031316.AA08899@css.itd.umich.edu</span>
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To: pauls@css.itd.umich.edu
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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 93 08:13:15 EST
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From: jad@ckuxb.att.com
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Status: RO
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X-Status: </p>
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<p>Article 20003 of alt.conspiracy:
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Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,alt.society.civil-liberty,alt.individualism,alt.censorship,talk.politics.misc,misc.headlines,soc.culture.usa
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Subject: Part 32, PACIFICA RADIO Investigates the Murder of President Kennedy
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<span class="Message-ID"> 1993Feb2.131716.7687@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU</span>
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Followup-To: alt.conspiracy.jfk
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Keywords: researchers' revelations about the assassination of President Kennedy
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Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU
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Organization: University of Virginia, FREE Public Access UNIX!
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Lines: 152</p>
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<p> I made the following transcript from a tape recording
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of a broadcast by Pacifica Radio Network station
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WBAI-FM (99.5)
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505 Eighth Ave., 19th Fl.
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New York, NY 10018 (212) 279-0707</p>
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<p>* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
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(continuation)
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GARY NULL:
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Alright. A key piece of evidence. A CRUCIAL piece of evidence that
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the media has overlooked. I'd like for you to fill in a blank here.
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Absolutely essential:
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We know that the route of President Kennedy's caravan was rerouted.
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The motorcade was rerouted. Who did that?</p>
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<p>JIM MARRS [author of CROSSFIRE: THE PLOT THAT KILLED KENNEDY]:
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Well, it's a murky question, and you get into all kinds of problems
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there. First off, the zig-zag up Houston and down Elm Street ....
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I'm going to have to admit that Chief Terry[sp], the Dallas Police
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Chief, told the Warren Commission -- they asked him about that
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route and he told them that that was the normal flow of traffic.
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And that is true. And that's why we're going to have a hard time
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with this thing about the route because it was the normal flow of
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traffic, and you can always argue that: Well, they followed the
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normal flow of traffic.</p>
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<p>The problem, of course, is that this was not a normal situation.
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This was a President of the United States who was visiting. They
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had Main Street blocked off already for the motorcade through
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downtown. And if I had been in charge of security .... and, in fact,
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several of the Dallas police officers brought this point up to the
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Warren Commission. They said that they didn't understand why the
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motorcade didn't simply go straight down Main Street, which was
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already blocked off, and then turn and go right up onto Stimmons
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Expressway, which would have left no need to make a hundred and
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twenty degree turn.</p>
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<p>GARY NULL:
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You wouldn't have slowed down because Main Street is a straight
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street, and as a straight street, the motorcade would not have had
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to slow down. Now, having to turn on procession's path and then
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back onto Elm Street, you have two turns which necessitate going
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very slow.</p>
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<p>JIM MARRS:
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Exactly. And one of them -- the turn from Houston onto Elm is about
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a one hundred and twenty degree turn, which is a VIOLATION of
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Secret Service regulations. Now, the only other thing that I'd
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point out is that on November the 19th, when the Secret Service
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chiefs came to Dallas and they rode the motorcade route, if you
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read their description very closely in the Warren Commission
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[Report], you find that they came up Houston Street to about Main,
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and they said: Here is where the motorcade goes on to the Trade
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Mart. And they turned east on Main, and they never did drive that
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hundred and twenty degree turn onto Elm Street. So there was
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apparently some negligence there on really determining the exact
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path of the motorcade and realizing that they had a security
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problem there. </p>
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<p>Now, who engineered that negligence is still kind of up-in-the-air.
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But it seems clear to me that since the Secret Service and other
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Federal officials ..... In fact, there was a man from the
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Agriculture Department, believe it or not, who came down and
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apparently was an integral, important part of the planning of this
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motorcade route. And, of course, you have to go back and understand
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that the old Agriculture Department head, Orville Freeman, had been
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a very close political friend of Lyndon Johnson. And so, there
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seems to have been some mechanization that took place in this
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planning, but we have not been able to nail that down. And again,
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we're back to the point where someone will say: "Well, that was the
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natural flow of traffic. So, I think that's going to remain a murky
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area in this investigation.</p>
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<p>GARY NULL:
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Alright. We do have ....
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[interruption due to tape ending]
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..... the mayor, Earl Cabell. And Earl Cabell had (we don't know
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that it's the case) .... He had the power to reroute the motorcade.
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That is something that .....</p>
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<p>JIM MARRS:
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He definitely called Police Chief Terry away from his duties at
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the time that they transferred Oswald, and he was shot by Ruby. And
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Terry said: "I wasn't there because I got a call from Mayor Cabell.</p>
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<p>GARY NULL:
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I wasn't aware of that.</p>
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<p>JIM MARRS:
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Well, there's another possibly important point because if the Police
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Chief himself had been there, he might have said something or done
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something that would have beefed up the security around Oswald and
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prevented Ruby from getting to him.</p>
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<p>GARY NULL:
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And, of course, the American Public should be aware that Kennedy
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had fired Allen Dulles as head of the CIA, and had vowed to "smash
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the CIA into a thousand pieces and cast it to the winds." And, of
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course, Dulles would be on the Warren Commission. Now, to appoint a
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man who had been fired seems rather absurd as far as objectivity is
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concerned. But, again, nothing about this has been objective or
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makes sense.</p>
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<p>Now, lastly, I want to go to some of the right-wing extremist
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organizations, and also to what some have suspected were some of the
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very powerful Texas industrialists who also were in the munitions
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business -- the armaments business. And later, as we would find out,
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we would be spending nearly ONE BILLION DOLLARS A DAY fighting in
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Viet Nam.</p>
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<p>JIM MARRS:
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Yeah. And let's not forget the oilmen. The oilmen were not
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providing munitions, but they were providing the life blood of the
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military machine, which is oil. And so, they very much wanted
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Viet Nam -- to keep the price of oil up.</p>
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<p> [JD: The most famous oilman in the World was a CIA agent in Miami
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who was involved with the anti-Castro <span class="NORP">Cubans</span> who have been
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linked to the murder of President Kennedy. That famous oilman
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had a great deal to gain by the murder of the President because
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his Zapata Oil Company stood to make a fortune off of the
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slaughter in Viet Nam of over fifty-eight thousand American boys.</p>
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<p> That famous oilman is George Herbert Walker Bush, of course.
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Why don't we look at the financial records and find out how much
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money George Herbert Walker Bush actually made in that ten-year,
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blood-for-profits adventure??]
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(to be continued)
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* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *</p>
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<p> If you agree that this story deserves broad public attention,
|
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please help to disseminate it by posting it to computer
|
||
|
|
bulletin boards, and by posting hardcopies in public places,
|
||
|
|
both on and off campus. As evidence accrues concerning the
|
||
|
|
corporate mass media's thirty year cover-up of the corporate
|
||
|
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CIA's coup d'etat against the People of the United States,
|
||
|
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the need for citizen reportage becomes ever more striking.</p>
|
||
|
|
<p> John DiNardo</p>
|
||
|
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<p>The episodes of this and other series can be retrieved
|
||
|
|
via anonymous ftp from the site:
|
||
|
|
red.css.itd.umich.edu
|
||
|
|
Log in with name "anonymous" or "ftp" and supply your e-mail address as
|
||
|
|
the password. The files are kept in the directory /poli/Essays/Conspiracy</p>
|
||
|
|
<p>Instructions for ftp retrieval are dependent upon what sort of system the
|
||
|
|
user is on. On a UNIX machine, at the command prompt, type the following:
|
||
|
|
ftp red.css.itd.umich.edu This may be different on IBMs and Vax systems.
|
||
|
|
Archivist: Paul Southworth, pauls@css.itd.umich.edu</p>
|
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<p>Article 20160 of alt.conspiracy:
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Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,alt.society.civil-liberty,alt.individualism,alt.censorship,talk.politics.misc,misc.headlines,soc.culture.usa
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From: jad@hopper.ACS.Virginia.EDU (John DiNardo)
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Subject: Part 33, PACIFICA RADIO Investigates the Murder of President Kennedy
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<span class="Message-ID"> 1993Feb5.133221.1860@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU</span>
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Followup-To: alt.conspiracy.jfk
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Keywords: researchers' revelations about the assassination of President Kennedy
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Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU
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Organization: UVA. FREE Public Access UNIX!
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Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1993 13:32:21 GMT
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Lines: 157</p>
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<p> I made the following transcript from a tape recording
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of a broadcast by Pacifica Radio Network station
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WBAI-FM (99.5)
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505 Eighth Ave., 19th Fl.
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New York, NY 10018 (212) 279-0707</p>
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<p>* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
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(continuation)
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GARY NULL:
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And the oilmen were favored friends of Lyndon Johnson.</p>
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<p>JIM MARRS:
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That's true. They hated Kennedy because Kennedy had already made
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one attempt to, and was still talking about doing away with the
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27-and-a-half percent oil depletion allowance, which is the bedrock
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of oil money. What it is, basically, is the argument that oil is a
|
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finite resource. There's only so much of it under ground. And every
|
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time you pump it out, you're depleting your basic product, I guess
|
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you could say. And, as a result, they have a 27-and-a-half percent
|
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(at that time) oil depletion allowance, which basically meant that
|
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they did not have to pay taxes on 27-and-a-half percent of the money
|
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|
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they made off of oil. How would YOU like to be able to pass on
|
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almost 28 percent of your income, and not have to pay taxes on it?
|
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That would help you out considerably. Wouldn't it?</p>
|
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<p> [JD: On this point, it's also important to know that in Kennedy's
|
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first year as President, one of the three major steel companies
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-- I think it was Bethlehem Steel -- pulled the commonly used
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trick of being the first company, in collusion with all the others,
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to hike the price of steel and thus, to establish an excuse for
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all the other steel companies to hike their prices.
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Well, John F. Kennedy forced the steel companies, by some means,
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to roll back their prices. That was an extraordinary achievement
|
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on behalf of the American consumer which has probably never been
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done before or since by any of the corporate-owned Presidents of
|
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the United States.
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That deed alone focused upon John Kennedy the hatred of the
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barons of big business.]
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GARY NULL:
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Do you have any knowledge of Howard Hughes as "Mr. X", and the
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suspicions surrounding his involvement in the assassination?
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Howard Hughes, according to information I've got, was considered to
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be "Mr. X" by operatives from the CIA, by some anti-Castro <span class="NORP">Cubans</span>,
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and by some of the right-wing paramilitarists.</p>
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<p>JIM MARRS:
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As an intermediary. Well, let me say that in 1963 I was still a
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little unclear on how powerful Hughes actually was, and on how much
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he was actually running his empire. There is good evidence to
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believe that he had already begun to be controlled and to be
|
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operated. He was a recluse. Nobody saw him. And there is good reason
|
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to believe that he may not have been in total control of his empire.
|
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|
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BUT, Robert Mayhue was. Robert Mayhue, at that time, was basically
|
||
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running Howard Hughes's empire. And Robert Mayhue had ties to both
|
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Organized Crime and to the CIA. And I may point out .... Again, I
|
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|
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think that this is incredibly important: Robert Mayhue was also
|
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tied into "Operation Mongoose".</p>
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<p>GARY NULL:
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||
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Now, is Robert Mayhue alive today?</p>
|
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<p>JIM MARRS:
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Yes, he is.</p>
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<p>GARY NULL:
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What is he doing today?</p>
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<p>JIM MARRS:
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I have no idea what he's doing. He appears on programs now and then.</p>
|
||
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<p>GARY NULL:
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Was he ever challenged on these ties?</p>
|
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<p>JIM MARRS:
|
||
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Oh, heavens. No, there's never been any hard-nosed investigation of
|
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|
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all this because the Government has always maintained that it was
|
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just Oswald.</p>
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<p>GARY NULL:
|
||
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Alright. So, we only have this as supposition, and we have to
|
||
|
|
acknowledge that it is merely supposition ....</p>
|
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<p>JIM MARRS:
|
||
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Well, I would say this. I would say that if there is any one person
|
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|
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still alive today who probably knew and knows how all of this was
|
||
|
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pulled together, I think Robert Mayhue would be a good candidate.</p>
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<p>GARY NULL:
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||
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Alright. But, again, we do not know that for a fact. We merely have
|
||
|
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to, in fairness and objectivity .....
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[tape ending]
|
||
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Did he have any connection to Organized Crime, and what was his
|
||
|
|
knowledge of the Kennedy Assassination. We must, in fairness and
|
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objectivity, keep it as purely something that is a projected
|
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supposition without concrete evidence.</p>
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<p>JIM MARRS:
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Oh, there's no concrete evidence that he participated in the
|
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conspiracy to kill Kennedy. I'll be the first to admit that.
|
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BUT, he himself .... and there has been tons written about him.
|
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He definitely was connected into the ..... In fact, he was the
|
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intermediary who put the Mafia people in touch with the CIA for
|
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|
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their assassination plots. That's been documented. That's been
|
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stated. Okay? That's been nailed down by the Government.</p>
|
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<p>He also, of course, was in charge of the Howard Hughes empire, which
|
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|
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is well documented as being a front for the Central Intelligence
|
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Agency. So, he was right in the thick of all of that. And, as I've
|
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said, he was also part of "Operation Mongoose". That has been
|
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publicly stated. So, I think he's the guy who could give us some
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answers, if he would talk, and talk truthfully, and talk
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extensively, something that, apparently, he has not done to date.</p>
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<p>GARY NULL:
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Now, let's take one more look here and try to put this into a
|
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context. We have certain members of Organized Crime who certainly
|
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could have played a role in providing the actual assassins.</p>
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<p>JIM MARRS:
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Well, of course, about Organized Crime, there's really not any
|
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doubt about all of that. The FBI was operating as it should, and was
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keeping tabs on Organized Crime chieftains. Had them wire-tapped.
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Had them followed. Had informants, inside their organizations,
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reporting back. And each and every one of them, at some point,
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threatened the life of President Kennedy. I think, obviously, the
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ones who are most important to us would be Sam Giancana, the Mob
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boss of Chicago, who apparently helped pull votes for Kennedy in
|
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the 1960 election, and then who also was dating and going to bed
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with Judith [Campbell] Exner at the same time that she was slipping
|
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into the White House and having an affair with John Kennedy.
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So that puts him in pretty close contact.
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(to be continued)
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* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *</p>
|
||
|
|
<p> If you agree that this story deserves broad public attention,
|
||
|
|
please help to disseminate it by posting it to computer
|
||
|
|
bulletin boards, and by posting hardcopies in public places,
|
||
|
|
both on and off campus. As evidence accrues concerning the
|
||
|
|
corporate mass media's thirty year cover-up of the corporate
|
||
|
|
CIA's coup d'etat against the People of the United States,
|
||
|
|
the need for citizen reportage becomes ever more striking.</p>
|
||
|
|
<p> John DiNardo</p>
|
||
|
|
<p>The episodes of this and other series can be retrieved
|
||
|
|
via anonymous ftp from the site:
|
||
|
|
red.css.itd.umich.edu
|
||
|
|
Log in with name "anonymous" or "ftp" and supply your e-mail address as
|
||
|
|
the password. The files are kept in the directory /poli/Essays/Conspiracy</p>
|
||
|
|
<p>Instructions for ftp retrieval are dependent upon what sort of system the
|
||
|
|
user is on. On a UNIX machine, at the command prompt, type the following:
|
||
|
|
ftp red.css.itd.umich.edu This may be different on IBMs and Vax systems.
|
||
|
|
Archivist: Paul Southworth, pauls@css.itd.umich.edu</p>
|
||
|
|
<p>Article 20544 of alt.conspiracy:
|
||
|
|
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,alt.society.civil-liberty,alt.individualism,talk.politics.misc,misc.headlines,soc.culture.usa,alt.censorship
|
||
|
|
Subject: Part 34, PACIFICA RADIO Investigates the Murder of President Kennedy
|
||
|
|
<span class="Message-ID"> 1993Feb15.215718.24395@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU</span>
|
||
|
|
Followup-To: alt.conspiracy.jfk
|
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|
|
Keywords: PACIFICA RADIO Investigates the Murder of President Kennedy
|
||
|
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Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU
|
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|
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Organization: UVA. FREE Public Access UNIX!
|
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Lines: 101</p>
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<p> The following transcript is from a tape-recorded broadcast
|
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|
|
by NO-commercials, NO-corporate-influences, listener-funded,
|
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beacon-of-truth Pacifica Radio Network station for the People:
|
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WBAI-FM (99.5)
|
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505 Eighth Ave., 19th Fl.
|
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|
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New York, NY 10018 (212) 279-0707</p>
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<p>* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
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(continuation)
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JIM MARRS [author of CROSSFIRE: THE PLOT THAT KILLED KENNEDY]:
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Giancana, who was under HEAVY, intense prosecution and investigation
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by both the FBI and the Justice Department, undoubtedly felt like
|
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he was the victim of a turnaround -- a double-cross, if you will.
|
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Of course, his son and his nephew, I believe it was, in fact, have
|
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written a book called "DOUBLE-CROSS". And I think they aggrandize
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Giancana's role in national affairs a bit. But nevertheless, they
|
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made the argument that he felt like he had helped to put Kennedy in
|
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office, and he felt that Kennedy had double-crossed him by
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prosecuting him and sending the FBI after him. </p>
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<p>Of course, one of his compatriots at that time was the New Orleans
|
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crime boss, Carlos Marcello. John Davis has produced a very good
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book that pretty well shows that there was some connection with
|
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Carlos Marcello into the assassination. Davis tries to make the
|
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argument that Marcello was the architect of the assassination.
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He may have been very instrumental in it, but even Carlos Marcello,
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powerful as he may be, did not have the power to cover-up the facts
|
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afterwards. And he did not have the power to misguide, misdirect
|
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and blunt the investigation by the FBI, and to alter the wounds on
|
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the President's body between Parkland Hospital and Bethesda Naval
|
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Hospital, and to do all of the things that are KNOWN to have been
|
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done. This goes beyond Organized Crime, although Carlos Marcello
|
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may have played an important role.</p>
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<p>The other [compatriot of Giancana], of course, was Santos
|
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Trafficante, the Mob chieftain in Miami, who was closely connected
|
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to the anti-Castro <span class="NORP">Cubans</span>, who, in fact, had been jailed on the
|
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Isle of Pines by [<span class="NORP">Cuban</span> Premier] Fidel Castro back at the time of
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his takeover, and who was in contact with JACK RUBY. </p>
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<p>So, you've got all of these people and they're all tied together.
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And the common point, I would think, between all of these was the
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point to where they begin to work closely with the United States
|
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Government, particularly the Central Intelligence Agency and the
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Military, and the war against Castro, and in the assassination plot
|
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against Castro.</p>
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<p>GARY NULL:
|
||
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Okay. That's a good summary for this stage of our program. We still
|
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|
|
have more to go. There's still a LOT more evidence that we're going
|
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to be laying out. We're going to talk about a killing on Wall
|
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|
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Street. We're going to talk about Kennedy and the oilmen. We're
|
||
|
|
going to talk about a Miami prophet. We're going to talk about a
|
||
|
|
bullet for the general. We're going to talk about the connections
|
||
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|
with Lyndon Baines Johnson.
|
||
|
|
So much more to come.
|
||
|
|
And then in Dallas: the black car chase, the strange saga of Roger
|
||
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Craig, the role of hit-men down there, and the shooting of J.D.
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Tippett. All these things are still to come, plus the "mystery man"
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whom many of us feel was the actual hit-man against Oswald in the
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balcony of the theater -- how that came about, who this person was,
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and why he didn't manage to get to kill Oswald who was where he was
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supposed to be in that theater, even though he never went to movies,
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and was specifically located by the police.
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Plus, brand new information that has NEVER before been revealed,
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in ANY form, in this country -- coming up.
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We are having some outside experts -- physicists and ballistics
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people and others -- examining documentation at this very moment.
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We'll hopefully have that for you very shortly.</p>
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<p>I want to thank you very much, Jim Marrs, for sharing some
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outstanding insights with us today.</p>
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<p>JIM MARRS:
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Thank you. Good to be with you.
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(to be continued)
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* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *</p>
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<p> If you agree that this story deserves broad public attention,
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please help to disseminate it by posting it to computer
|
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bulletin boards, and by posting hardcopies in public places,
|
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both on and off campus. As evidence accrues concerning the
|
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corporate mass media's thirty year cover-up of the corporate
|
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|
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CIA's coup d'etat against the People of the United States,
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the need for citizen reportage becomes ever more striking.</p>
|
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<p> John DiNardo</p>
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<p>The episodes of this and other series can be retrieved
|
||
|
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via anonymous ftp from the site:
|
||
|
|
red.css.itd.umich.edu
|
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|
|
Log in with name "anonymous" or "ftp" and supply your e-mail address as
|
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the password. The files are kept in the directory /poli/Essays/Conspiracy</p>
|
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|
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<p>Instructions for ftp retrieval are dependent upon what sort of system the
|
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|
|
user is on. On a UNIX machine, at the command prompt, type the following:
|
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|
|
ftp red.css.itd.umich.edu This may be different on IBMs and Vax systems.
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Archivist: Paul Southworth, pauls@css.itd.umich.edu</p>
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<p>Article 20571 of alt.conspiracy:
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Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk,alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,alt.society.civil-liberty,alt.individualism,alt.censorship,talk.politics.misc,misc.headlines,soc.culture.usa
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Subject: Part 35, PACIFICA RADIO Investigates the Murder of President Kennedy
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<span class="Message-ID"> 1993Feb17.210252.10583@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU</span>
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Followup-To: alt.conspiracy
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Keywords: researchers' revelations about the assassination of President Kennedy
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Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU
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Organization: UVA. FREE Public Access UNIX!
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Lines: 128</p>
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<p> The following transcript is of a tape-recorded broadcast
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by NO-commercials, NO-corporate-influences, listener-funded,
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beacon-of-truth Pacifica Radio Network station of the People:
|
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WBAI-FM (99.5)
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505 Eighth Ave., 19th Fl.
|
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New York, NY 10018 (212) 279-0707</p>
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<p>* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
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(continuation)
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GARY NULL:
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I've spent a great deal of time down in Dallas. In the last year
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alone, I've made eight trips, doing measurements -- DETAILED
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measurements -- going over analyses. There is an individual
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(I don't know if you know him, Jones Harris), Robert Morningstar,
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who has done a great deal of analyzing of the <span class="PERSON">Zapruder</span> Film. </p>
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<p>We found additional distortions -- editing in that film. We
|
||
|
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have also found more tracers. We have found the actual tracers.
|
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|
We put it through an infra-red scanner, and we can actually
|
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|
SHOW ..... No one has ever done this before. It was Robert
|
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|
Morningstar who came up with this, and we have independently
|
||
|
|
corroborated it. We've done blow-ups of the <span class="PERSON">Zapruder</span> Film showing
|
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the actual tracer[s] [of the] bullets. And you cannot see it with
|
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the naked eye. But every bullet that is fired has a different
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marking, a marking of the heat that is created when the bullet
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spins out of the barrel of the gun, a marking of the heat when the
|
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sun reflects off of the bullet, a marking of the heat when the
|
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|
bullet goes through the atmosphere. And in this case, it was very
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|
humid on that day in Dallas. (I have gone back to subsequently
|
||
|
|
check all the weather reports.) You have four separate markings
|
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of a tracer.</p>
|
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<p>Well, we know that these markings, though not shown to the naked
|
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eye, are on the film and would still be a permanent imprint.
|
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|
And based upon the idea that there were multiple gunmen -- not one
|
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|
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-- the only way to determine this is if there were multiple shots
|
||
|
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that could be proved to have been fired. Up to this point,
|
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|
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there were none [proven to be fired]. </p>
|
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<p>Using an infra-red technology, we have isolated and actually
|
||
|
|
identified the exact trajectory of all of the bullets: eight --
|
||
|
|
EIGHT bullets. Now, what is interesting is that we actually have
|
||
|
|
this, blown up. It is irrefutable. Any physicist will show you
|
||
|
|
that these are exact. Also, when you time-base them for the sounds
|
||
|
|
[compare the points in time of the appearances of the tracers
|
||
|
|
with the points in time of the sounds of the shots] .... We can't
|
||
|
|
pinpoint the exact [origin of a] sound because the sound is deceptive.
|
||
|
|
Where you think the direction that a sound is coming from frequently
|
||
|
|
is not, depending upon the acoustics. Well, we've been able to match
|
||
|
|
the acoustics with the sound, and then match the trajectory.</p>
|
||
|
|
<p>We even found .... I shouldn't say "I found". It was actually
|
||
|
|
Robert who found .... We actually found and were able to demonstrate
|
||
|
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that the <span class="PERSON">Zapruder</span> Film was cut in two places to make the car seem
|
||
|
|
as if it lurched forward, when, in fact, it came TO A STOP! And we
|
||
|
|
can prove that because, in the film, the flags [mounted on the car]
|
||
|
|
go flaccid and yet, the car jerks forward. And the building right
|
||
|
|
across from the car -- which should have been in perfect alignment
|
||
|
|
-- in the very next FRAME (You're talking about less than one
|
||
|
|
thirty-second of a second) the building JUMPED FORTY FEET AHEAD!
|
||
|
|
So, suddenly, if you look, the building that is across from the
|
||
|
|
President's limousine -- in one frame is in front of it [the
|
||
|
|
limousine]; in the next frame there's a forty foot difference.</p>
|
||
|
|
<p>Now, no one has ever done this work before. This is important new
|
||
|
|
work to prove that the <span class="PERSON">Zapruder</span> Film WAS definitely, unequivocally,
|
||
|
|
ABSOLUTELY [altered]. And NO ONE has caught it! NO ONE, except
|
||
|
|
Robert Morningstar.</p>
|
||
|
|
<p>So then we went into great detail. We then took this -- Robert and
|
||
|
|
I working together -- we blew up these ..... I went down there and
|
||
|
|
got very sophisticated measurements. And we found that there HAD
|
||
|
|
to have been someone on the opposite side of the green, because
|
||
|
|
two bullets came right across and you can see the TRACER come right
|
||
|
|
across that sign. Now isn't it interesting: They've added a whole
|
||
|
|
segment to that sign! </p>
|
||
|
|
<p>Then, we can show that two bullets missed the car entirely.
|
||
|
|
We do not believe that missing the car by such a wide margin was an
|
||
|
|
accident. We believe that those were marker shots, because guess
|
||
|
|
what we see in one of the tree branches. We see a "shooter's bag".
|
||
|
|
In one shot [frame] you see it there. It looks like a tiny dot.
|
||
|
|
You won't notice it! The naked eye will not notice it. But blow it
|
||
|
|
up, as we did, freeze-frame it, and then you will see that it's
|
||
|
|
hanging in a limb in one shot [frame], and then the tracer shot
|
||
|
|
comes across and [the "shooter's bag"] it's blown away. That's what
|
||
|
|
a marksman uses to line up the target, so that when the target comes
|
||
|
|
right to that spot, you shoot and you're able to hit your target.</p>
|
||
|
|
<p>We also were able to blow up and enhance a photo showing,
|
||
|
|
absolutely, a rifle with a telescopic sight that did NOT fire --
|
||
|
|
that was in the bushes down near the underpass. And we feel that
|
||
|
|
that was either the kill shot, through the throat, because when it
|
||
|
|
passed ..... It was funny because you watch it twenty times; you
|
||
|
|
don't see a thing. You have experts watch it; they don't see a
|
||
|
|
thing. You slow it down; they don't see a thing. And THEN, we put
|
||
|
|
it in freeze-frame, and we say: "Have you ever seen a branch of a
|
||
|
|
tree move?" And suddenly they all say: "There it is!" And they all
|
||
|
|
point and say: "Yes, you're right!" But then, it's not a branch,
|
||
|
|
but it's a telescopic sight. And it's a man with a hat. And we can
|
||
|
|
actually match the scope to the type of scope used in that time.
|
||
|
|
The scope follows President Kennedy clear around until he's out of
|
||
|
|
sight, meaning that he was going to put another shot into him if he
|
||
|
|
saw that the shot they fired the first time wasn't a kill shot.
|
||
|
|
(to be continued)
|
||
|
|
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *</p>
|
||
|
|
<p> If you agree that this story deserves broad public attention,
|
||
|
|
please help to disseminate it by posting it to computer
|
||
|
|
bulletin boards, and by posting hardcopies in public places,
|
||
|
|
both on and off campus. As evidence accrues concerning the
|
||
|
|
corporate mass media's thirty year cover-up of the corporate
|
||
|
|
CIA's coup d'etat against the People of the United States,
|
||
|
|
the need for citizen reportage becomes ever more striking.</p>
|
||
|
|
<p> John DiNardo</p>
|
||
|
|
<p>The episodes of this and other series can be retrieved
|
||
|
|
via anonymous ftp from the site:
|
||
|
|
red.css.itd.umich.edu
|
||
|
|
Log in with name "anonymous" or "ftp" and supply your e-mail address as
|
||
|
|
the password. The files are kept in the directory /poli/Essays/Conspiracy</p>
|
||
|
|
<p>Instructions for ftp retrieval are dependent upon what sort of system the
|
||
|
|
user is on. On a UNIX machine, at the command prompt, type the following:
|
||
|
|
ftp red.css.itd.umich.edu This may be different on IBMs and Vax systems.
|
||
|
|
Archivist: Paul Southworth, pauls@css.itd.umich.edu</p>
|
||
|
|
<p>From uucp Mon Mar 15 13:12 EST 1993
|
||
|
|
>From jad Mon Mar 15 12:41 EST 1993 remote from ckuxb.att.com
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||
|
|
From: jad@ckuxb.att.com
|
||
|
|
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 93 12:41 EST
|
||
|
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To: jad@hopper.acs.virginia.edu
|
||
|
|
Received: from ckuxb.att.com by hopper.acs.virginia.edu.ACS.Virginia.EDU; Mon, 15 Mar 1993 13:12 EST
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Content-Type: text
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Status: OR</p>
|
||
|
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<p>Article 20571 of alt.conspiracy:
|
||
|
|
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk,alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,alt.society.civil-liberty,alt.individualism,alt.censorship,talk.politics.misc,misc.headlines,soc.culture.usa
|
||
|
|
From: jad@hopper.ACS.Virginia.EDU (John DiNardo)
|
||
|
|
Subject: Part 35, PACIFICA RADIO Investigates the Murder of President Kennedy
|
||
|
|
<span class="Message-ID"> 1993Feb17.210252.10583@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU</span>
|
||
|
|
Followup-To: alt.conspiracy
|
||
|
|
Keywords: researchers' revelations about the assassination of President Kennedy
|
||
|
|
Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU
|
||
|
|
Organization: UVA. FREE Public Access UNIX!
|
||
|
|
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1993 21:02:52 GMT
|
||
|
|
Lines: 128</p>
|
||
|
|
<p> The following transcript is of a tape-recorded broadcast
|
||
|
|
by NO-commercials, NO-corporate-influences, listener-funded,
|
||
|
|
beacon-of-truth Pacifica Radio Network station of the People:
|
||
|
|
WBAI-FM (99.5)
|
||
|
|
505 Eighth Ave., 19th Fl.
|
||
|
|
New York, NY 10018 (212) 279-0707</p>
|
||
|
|
<p>* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
|
||
|
|
(continuation)
|
||
|
|
GARY NULL:
|
||
|
|
I've spent a great deal of time down in Dallas. In the last year
|
||
|
|
alone, I've made eight trips, doing measurements -- DETAILED
|
||
|
|
measurements -- going over analyses. There is an individual
|
||
|
|
(I don't know if you know him, Jones Harris), Robert Morningstar,
|
||
|
|
who has done a great deal of analyzing of the <span class="PERSON">Zapruder</span> Film. </p>
|
||
|
|
<p>We found additional distortions -- editing in that film. We
|
||
|
|
have also found more tracers. We have found the actual tracers.
|
||
|
|
We put it through an infra-red scanner, and we can actually
|
||
|
|
SHOW ..... No one has ever done this before. It was Robert
|
||
|
|
Morningstar who came up with this, and we have independently
|
||
|
|
corroborated it. We've done blow-ups of the <span class="PERSON">Zapruder</span> Film showing
|
||
|
|
the actual tracer[s] [of the] bullets. And you cannot see it with
|
||
|
|
the naked eye. But every bullet that is fired has a different
|
||
|
|
marking, a marking of the heat that is created when the bullet
|
||
|
|
spins out of the barrel of the gun, a marking of the heat when the
|
||
|
|
sun reflects off of the bullet, a marking of the heat when the
|
||
|
|
bullet goes through the atmosphere. And in this case, it was very
|
||
|
|
humid on that day in Dallas. (I have gone back to subsequently
|
||
|
|
check all the weather reports.) You have four separate markings
|
||
|
|
of a tracer.</p>
|
||
|
|
<p>Well, we know that these markings, though not shown to the naked
|
||
|
|
eye, are on the film and would still be a permanent imprint.
|
||
|
|
And based upon the idea that there were multiple gunmen -- not one
|
||
|
|
-- the only way to determine this is if there were multiple shots
|
||
|
|
that could be proved to have been fired. Up to this point,
|
||
|
|
there were none [proven to be fired]. </p>
|
||
|
|
<p>Using an infra-red technology, we have isolated and actually
|
||
|
|
identified the exact trajectory of all of the bullets: eight --
|
||
|
|
EIGHT bullets. Now, what is interesting is that we actually have
|
||
|
|
this, blown up. It is irrefutable. Any physicist will show you
|
||
|
|
that these are exact. Also, when you time-base them for the sounds
|
||
|
|
[compare the points in time of the appearances of the tracers
|
||
|
|
with the points in time of the sounds of the shots] .... We can't
|
||
|
|
pinpoint the exact [origin of a] sound because the sound is deceptive.
|
||
|
|
Where you think the direction that a sound is coming from frequently
|
||
|
|
is not, depending upon the acoustics. Well, we've been able to match
|
||
|
|
the acoustics with the sound, and then match the trajectory.</p>
|
||
|
|
<p>We even found .... I shouldn't say "I found". It was actually
|
||
|
|
Robert who found .... We actually found and were able to demonstrate
|
||
|
|
that the <span class="PERSON">Zapruder</span> Film was cut in two places to make the car seem
|
||
|
|
as if it lurched forward, when, in fact, it came TO A STOP! And we
|
||
|
|
can prove that because, in the film, the flags [mounted on the car]
|
||
|
|
go flaccid and yet, the car jerks forward. And the building right
|
||
|
|
across from the car -- which should have been in perfect alignment
|
||
|
|
-- in the very next FRAME (You're talking about less than one
|
||
|
|
thirty-second of a second) the building JUMPED FORTY FEET AHEAD!
|
||
|
|
So, suddenly, if you look, the building that is across from the
|
||
|
|
President's limousine -- in one frame is in front of it [the
|
||
|
|
limousine]; in the next frame there's a forty foot difference.</p>
|
||
|
|
<p>Now, no one has ever done this work before. This is important new
|
||
|
|
work to prove that the <span class="PERSON">Zapruder</span> Film WAS definitely, unequivocally,
|
||
|
|
ABSOLUTELY [altered]. And NO ONE has caught it! NO ONE, except
|
||
|
|
Robert Morningstar.</p>
|
||
|
|
<p>So then we went into great detail. We then took this -- Robert and
|
||
|
|
I working together -- we blew up these ..... I went down there and
|
||
|
|
got very sophisticated measurements. And we found that there HAD
|
||
|
|
to have been someone on the opposite side of the green, because
|
||
|
|
two bullets came right across and you can see the TRACER come right
|
||
|
|
across that sign. Now isn't it interesting: They've added a whole
|
||
|
|
segment to that sign! </p>
|
||
|
|
<p>Then, we can show that two bullets missed the car entirely.
|
||
|
|
We do not believe that missing the car by such a wide margin was an
|
||
|
|
accident. We believe that those were marker shots, because guess
|
||
|
|
what we see in one of the tree branches. We see a "shooter's bag".
|
||
|
|
In one shot [frame] you see it there. It looks like a tiny dot.
|
||
|
|
You won't notice it! The naked eye will not notice it. But blow it
|
||
|
|
up, as we did, freeze-frame it, and then you will see that it's
|
||
|
|
hanging in a limb in one shot [frame], and then the tracer shot
|
||
|
|
comes across and [the "shooter's bag"] it's blown away. That's what
|
||
|
|
a marksman uses to line up the target, so that when the target comes
|
||
|
|
right to that spot, you shoot and you're able to hit your target.</p>
|
||
|
|
<p>We also were able to blow up and enhance a photo showing,
|
||
|
|
absolutely, a rifle with a telescopic sight that did NOT fire --
|
||
|
|
that was in the bushes down near the underpass. And we feel that
|
||
|
|
that was either the kill shot, through the throat, because when it
|
||
|
|
passed ..... It was funny because you watch it twenty times; you
|
||
|
|
don't see a thing. You have experts watch it; they don't see a
|
||
|
|
thing. You slow it down; they don't see a thing. And THEN, we put
|
||
|
|
it in freeze-frame, and we say: "Have you ever seen a branch of a
|
||
|
|
tree move?" And suddenly they all say: "There it is!" And they all
|
||
|
|
point and say: "Yes, you're right!" But then, it's not a branch,
|
||
|
|
but it's a telescopic sight. And it's a man with a hat. And we can
|
||
|
|
actually match the scope to the type of scope used in that time.
|
||
|
|
The scope follows President Kennedy clear around until he's out of
|
||
|
|
sight, meaning that he was going to put another shot into him if he
|
||
|
|
saw that the shot they fired the first time wasn't a kill shot.
|
||
|
|
(to be continued)
|
||
|
|
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *</p>
|
||
|
|
<p> If you agree that this story deserves broad public attention,
|
||
|
|
please help to disseminate it by posting it to computer
|
||
|
|
bulletin boards, and by posting hardcopies in public places,
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both on and off campus. As evidence accrues concerning the
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corporate mass media's thirty year cover-up of the corporate
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CIA's coup d'etat against the People of the United States,
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the need for citizen reportage becomes ever more striking.</p>
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<p> John DiNardo</p>
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<p>The episodes of this and other series can be retrieved
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via anonymous ftp from the site:
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red.css.itd.umich.edu
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Log in with name "anonymous" or "ftp" and supply your e-mail address as
|
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the password. The files are kept in the directory /poli/Essays/Conspiracy</p>
|
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<p>Instructions for ftp retrieval are dependent upon what sort of system the
|
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|
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user is on. On a UNIX machine, at the command prompt, type the following:
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ftp red.css.itd.umich.edu This may be different on IBMs and Vax systems.
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Archivist: Paul Southworth, pauls@css.itd.umich.edu</p>
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<p>Article 20777 of alt.conspiracy:
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Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk,alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,alt.society.civil-liberty,alt.individualism,alt.censorship,talk.politics.misc,misc.headlines,soc.culture.usa
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From: jad@hopper.ACS.Virginia.EDU (John DiNardo)
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Subject: Part 36, PACIFICA RADIO Investigates the Murder of President Kennedy
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<span class="Message-ID"> 1993Feb23.215738.25766@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU</span>
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Followup-To: alt.conspiracy
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Keywords: PACIFICA RADIO Investigates the Murder of President Kennedy
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Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU
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Organization: UVA. FREE Public Access UNIX!
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Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1993 21:57:38 GMT
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Lines: 142</p>
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<p> The following transcript is of a tape-recorded broadcast
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by NO-commercials, NO-corporate-influences, listener-funded,
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beacon-of-truth Pacifica Radio Network station of the People:
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WBAI-FM (99.5)
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505 Eighth Ave., 19th Fl.
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New York, NY 10018 (212) 279-0707</p>
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<p>* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
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(continuation)
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GARY NULL:
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This program is a continuation of our ongoing series titled:
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"Hidden Agendas: Conspiracies, Cover-Ups and Lies"
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at the highest levels of our Government, in regard to deceptions
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foisted upon the American People regarding essential information
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about the roles of Jack Ruby and Lee Harvey Oswald in the John F.
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Kennedy Assassination. We have been led to believe that the Warren
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Commission Report was the first and last word on this case.
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Many individuals are challenging that. We have invited those
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individuals to share with us insights, documentation and other
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information, much of it being revealed here, for the first time,
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to the American People.</p>
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<p>Please excuse the poor broadcast quality today because I am not in
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the studio. I'm not in New York. I'm about five thousand miles away
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from New York, continuing to do investigations on this. I'm tracking
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certain ballistic and forensic information, and I'm interviewing
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people who, hitherto, have not been heard by the American People so
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that I can bring you new information.</p>
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<p>On our conference line right now are two individuals who have some
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unique insights: Jack Schweick[sp], who has written on Oswald,
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especially about the Atsugi [Naval Air] Base in Japan. He was in
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intelligence before being in the Marines. He has sued the CIA for
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files. And we'll learn about the alleged fourty-four drawers of
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files on Oswald and also [on] all the people on that base, and
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what Lee Harvey Oswald was doing there.</p>
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<p>Also, we have colonel L. Fletcher Prouty. Now Colonel Prouty is a
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unique individual in this scheme of things. In the movie, JFK, it
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was Donald Sutherland who portrayed the role of L. Fletcher Prouty
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or some facsimile of his role. L. Fletcher Prouty was Chief of
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Special Operations of the Joint Chiefs-of-Staff, and he established
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worldwide offices. He was a senior Air Force officer, Officer of
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Special Operations in the Office of the Secretary of Defense in the
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office headed by General G.B. Erskine with Edward Lansdale, CIA-to-United States Air Force on staff. He was also the chief of Team B,
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which was Special Operations, Headquarters U.S. Air Force.
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And that's very important in military terms. Special Operations was
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the official function responsible for the military support of the
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clandestine operations of the CIA.</p>
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<p>Let's begin with L. Fletcher Prouty.
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Welcome to our program, Mr. Prouty.</p>
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<p>L. FLETCHER PROUTY:
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Good morning, Gary. Nice to be with you.</p>
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<p>GARY NULL:
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First off -- is it correct that there was some facsimile between
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you and the character portrayed by Donald Sutherland in Oliver
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Stone's film, JFK? </p>
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<p>L. FLETCHER PROUTY:
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Yes. Oliver Stone met with me in 1990 and asked me to be an advisor
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to the film because he had read material that I had written, and he
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had written a part into his film that he called "Mr. X". At the
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time, I didn't know that. And I read the script when it first came
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out in November 1990, and I found the "Mr. X" there and I recognized
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myself and words I had written and things I had said. So, at a
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speech at the National Press Club, in January 1992, Oliver Stone
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turned to the audience and said: "Everybody asked me, 'Is there a
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real 'Mr. X''." Well, I was on the podium with him, and he turned
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and pointed to me and said: "There's my 'Mr. X'." And so, the secret
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broke. And that's the story of it. It was pretty simple. He just
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worked it into the film so that he would have an authoritative
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voice for certain parts of the film, as you saw represented by
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Donald Sutherland.</p>
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<p>GARY NULL:
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Alright. Let's go to the actual events, or at least those events
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that you have some insight on so that we can get a handle on this.
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We have already -- in the first eighteen parts of this special
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investigation (twenty-five hours of broadcasting on this) -- laid out
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various aspects of this puzzle. We have seen the role of Organized
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Crime -- at least those individuals who, on FBI tapes, have made
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statemtents, either true or false (at least they've made the actual
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statements), that there was going to be a hit on the President,
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either in Miami or later in Dallas. We also had extensive insights
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about the CIA being "out of control", and about, even at that time,
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special renegade elements within the CIA who were very much opposed
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to President Kennedy's mishandling of the Bay of Pigs Invasion, and
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about the fact that, at a time when he could very easily have given
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the support which would have caused the destruction of Castro's tiny
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Air Force and ended what people in the military/industrial complex,
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the Armed Forces, the general public, the Texas conservative element,
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viewed as a substantial threat, he backed off. They found this
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incomprehensible.</p>
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<p>And, as a result, some feel that elements of that [the CIA] were
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responsible for the assassination. But it couldn't have been done
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without having members of the Secret Service, the FBI and the
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Military participate because it was going to be, not only the
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assassination itself, but they were fully aware that you don't go
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out and kill the President of the United States unless you can
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protect yourself. You have to know that you can protect yourself if
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there is a special commission, if there is a special investigation.
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So, bringing in people from different segments [of the Government]
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at different levels would have been a job that only military
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logistics experts could have pulled off. Organized Crime has never
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been able to maintain. They don't have the intellectual dexterity,
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they have too much braggadocio and they're too unreliable. But they
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are capable of killing, and they do. And they are capable of being
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used, in effect, as a front for various aspects [of Government
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crime], as they had been in their anti-Castro efforts after the fall
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of Cuba's Battista Government, which supported their corruption.
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Since Castro didn't support them, they were losing many millions of
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dollars. So they were conducting regular activities, we now know,
|
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with the aid of the CIA and with the knowledge of the FBI.
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(to be continued)
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* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *</p>
|
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|
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<p> If you agree that this story deserves broad public attention,
|
||
|
|
please help to disseminate it by posting it to computer
|
||
|
|
bulletin boards, and by posting hardcopies in public places,
|
||
|
|
both on and off campus. As evidence accrues concerning the
|
||
|
|
corporate mass media's thirty year cover-up of the corporate
|
||
|
|
CIA's coup d'etat against the People of the United States,
|
||
|
|
the need for citizen reportage becomes ever more striking.</p>
|
||
|
|
<p> John DiNardo</p>
|
||
|
|
<p>The episodes of this and other series can be retrieved
|
||
|
|
via anonymous ftp from the site:
|
||
|
|
red.css.itd.umich.edu
|
||
|
|
Log in with name "anonymous" or "ftp" and supply your e-mail address as
|
||
|
|
the password. The files are kept in the directory /poli/Essays/Conspiracy</p>
|
||
|
|
<p>Instructions for ftp retrieval are dependent upon what sort of system the
|
||
|
|
user is on. On a UNIX machine, at the command prompt, type the following:
|
||
|
|
ftp red.css.itd.umich.edu This may be different on IBMs and Vax systems.
|
||
|
|
Archivist: Paul Southworth, pauls@css.itd.umich.edu</p>
|
||
|
|
<p>Article 20864 of alt.conspiracy:
|
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|
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Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk,alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,alt.society.civil-liberty,alt.individualism,alt.censorship,talk.politics.misc,misc.headlines,soc.culture.usa
|
||
|
|
From: jad@hopper.ACS.Virginia.EDU (John DiNardo)
|
||
|
|
Subject: Part 37, PACIFICA RADIO Investigates the Murder of President Kennedy
|
||
|
|
<span class="Message-ID"> 1993Feb26.233930.1942@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU</span>
|
||
|
|
Followup-To: alt.conspiracy
|
||
|
|
Keywords: researchers'revelations about the assassination of President Kennedy
|
||
|
|
Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU
|
||
|
|
Organization: UVA. FREE Public Access UNIX!
|
||
|
|
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1993 23:39:30 GMT
|
||
|
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Lines: 142</p>
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|
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<p> The following transcript is of a tape-recorded broadcast
|
||
|
|
by NO-commercials, NO-corporate-influences, listener-funded,
|
||
|
|
beacon-of-truth Pacifica Radio Network station of the People:
|
||
|
|
WBAI-FM (99.5)
|
||
|
|
505 Eighth Ave., 19th Fl.
|
||
|
|
New York, NY 10018 (212) 279-0707</p>
|
||
|
|
<p>* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
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|
|
(continuation)
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|
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GARY NULL:
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||
|
|
So, how do you start to link all these disparate people together?
|
||
|
|
What roles did they actually play? What roles do you surmise they
|
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|
|
played?</p>
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<p>L. FLETCHER PROUTY:
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Well, take one of the most crucial roles. Certainly, everybody
|
||
|
|
wants to know who killed the President. How was he killed? What was
|
||
|
|
the technique that was used. And really, the answer has been before
|
||
|
|
us in the Press for years, and I guess most people didn't notice it
|
||
|
|
or didn't see it in the proper context.</p>
|
||
|
|
<p>President Lyndon Baines Johnson himself, when ex-President, just
|
||
|
|
before he died, had an interview with an old friend of his -- a
|
||
|
|
writer for the ATLANTIC MONTHLY Magazine. And, although I don't
|
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|
|
have it laying here in front of me at the moment, I'll tell you
|
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|
|
three things that Lyndon Johnson said during that interview that,
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|
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coming from the President, the man who was most involved -- at
|
||
|
|
least next to Kennedy -- in that whole affair. Johnson said these
|
||
|
|
things. He said, first of all: "I never believed that Oswald did
|
||
|
|
that by himself. Furthermore," he said, "I knew that there was a
|
||
|
|
conspiracy to kill Kennedy." I mean, he knew as he went along.
|
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|
|
I'm not sure that he meant that he knew ahead of time. But, in
|
||
|
|
either case, those are his words. He said: "I have always felt
|
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|
|
that there was a conspiracy to kill Kennedy." </p>
|
||
|
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<p>But third -- and here he really said what answers your question.
|
||
|
|
He said: "WE", meaning the United States Government -- "We maintain
|
||
|
|
a Murder Incorported," and he added the words, "in the Caribbean"
|
||
|
|
because that was pertinent to the questions that were going on.
|
||
|
|
But this "Murder Incorporated" is Worldwide. And now the United
|
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|
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States Government maintains a "Murder Incorporated" capability, as
|
||
|
|
we see, from time to time, when assassinations or other tragic
|
||
|
|
terrorist movements [covert operations] take place. The people who
|
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|
|
do that are professionals. And they work for certain elements of
|
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|
|
the United States Government.</p>
|
||
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<p>Now, President Johnson said that, and that was printed in the July
|
||
|
|
1973 issue of the ATLANTIC MONTHLY Magazine. Since that has been
|
||
|
|
put into the Press, then we can explore it a little more. Those
|
||
|
|
professionals whom the [Central Intelligence] Agency calls
|
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|
|
"mechanics" are brought into Dallas. A small team. They do the job.
|
||
|
|
They kill the President. They leave. They're gone. That's the
|
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|
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murder!</p>
|
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<p>The BIG crime after that is the cover story that we see every day.
|
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|
|
For instance, this recent release by the American Medical
|
||
|
|
Association is ABSOLUTE COVER STORY! Who IS IT that's forcing that
|
||
|
|
ENORMOUS organization, that powerful organization, the American
|
||
|
|
Medical Association, just last week or the week before, to release
|
||
|
|
more cover story articles about the killing of the President that
|
||
|
|
are NOT true? Why are they being made to do this? Where is the
|
||
|
|
"power" that makes them do that? Therein is the explanation of
|
||
|
|
the assassination of the President!</p>
|
||
|
|
<p>GARY NULL:
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||
|
|
Alright. Let's go through this. Who had the power to kill the
|
||
|
|
President and get away with it. Organized Crime could not have done
|
||
|
|
it and gotten away with it. Anti-Castroites could not have done it
|
||
|
|
and gotten away with it. And radically right-wing, conservative
|
||
|
|
politicians could not have done it and gotten away with it.
|
||
|
|
So who actually did it, and then who do you think ..... Separate
|
||
|
|
the cast of characters whom you feel did it, and then the cast of
|
||
|
|
characters who participated in the cover-up because whoever did it
|
||
|
|
had to have enough power to get the FBI to participate [in the
|
||
|
|
cover-up] because we know ABSOLUTELY, UNEQUIVOCALLY -- it is a
|
||
|
|
matter of LAW and it is a matter of sworn testimony that the FBI
|
||
|
|
participated systematically in covering up, destroying, hiding
|
||
|
|
information that was absolutely essential to the investigation.
|
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|
|
They participated in a crime at ALL levels, including the very
|
||
|
|
highest level with J. Edgar Hoover. Now, you do not get J. Edgar
|
||
|
|
Hoover and the FBI to consistently commit crimes, to break the laws
|
||
|
|
which they're supposed to be there to defend unless you're very
|
||
|
|
powerful. WHO, then, is more powerful than the FBI? And who is
|
||
|
|
more intimidating than J. Edgar Hoover who could get that done?</p>
|
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<p>L. FLETCHER PROUTY:
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|
This is one of the questions that Oliver Stone ran into as he was
|
||
|
|
developing the script and the concept of this movie, because there
|
||
|
|
aren't many of us in this country, in this World who accept the fact
|
||
|
|
that there are power centers. Winson Churchill called this power
|
||
|
|
center, during World War II, when he was talking with intimate
|
||
|
|
friends (This is written. This is clearly available to researchers)
|
||
|
|
.... He called it a "high cabal". Winston Churchill is talking
|
||
|
|
about a higher cabal than Winston Churchill, Franklin D. Roosevelt
|
||
|
|
and Josef Stalin. He is talking about a power center, a "power
|
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|
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elite" that is ABOVE governments.</p>
|
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|
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<p>Buckminster Fuller, a man who had enormous experience with
|
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|
|
governments .... he spent more time as a consultant to the Kremlin
|
||
|
|
than any other non-<span class="NORP">Russian</span>. He spent hours and hours and days as a
|
||
|
|
consultant to Congress in our country. Buckminster Fuller was a man
|
||
|
|
of great experience. He wrote a book that we should ALL know called
|
||
|
|
"CRITICAL PATH". In that book, he speaks over and over and over again
|
||
|
|
about the "power elite". I've written a book about [titled]
|
||
|
|
"THE SECRET TEAM".
|
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|
|
|
||
|
|
[some words lost when Prouty's phone line is cut off for
|
||
|
|
a few seconds]</p>
|
||
|
|
<p>.... because I myself have worked with people, in their own homes,
|
||
|
|
like [Eisenhower's Secretary of State] John Foster Dulles and
|
||
|
|
[Director of Central Intelligence] Allen Dulles. I have seen John
|
||
|
|
Foster Dulles pick up a special telephone. He didn't dial. He didn't
|
||
|
|
say anything except: "I want" so-and-so. And you could tell by the
|
||
|
|
name that it was a Soviet name -- a man in Russia. They talked for
|
||
|
|
a little while. He said "Thank you," hung up the phone and we went
|
||
|
|
right ahead with business. He had settled something.
|
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|
|
(to be continued)
|
||
|
|
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *</p>
|
||
|
|
<p> If you agree that this story deserves broad public attention,
|
||
|
|
please help to disseminate it by posting it to computer
|
||
|
|
bulletin boards, and by posting hardcopies in public places,
|
||
|
|
both on and off campus. As evidence accrues concerning the
|
||
|
|
corporate mass media's thirty year cover-up of the corporate
|
||
|
|
CIA's coup d'etat against the People of the United States,
|
||
|
|
the need for citizen reportage becomes ever more striking.</p>
|
||
|
|
<p> John DiNardo</p>
|
||
|
|
<p>The episodes of this and other series can be retrieved
|
||
|
|
via anonymous ftp from the site:
|
||
|
|
red.css.itd.umich.edu
|
||
|
|
Log in with name "anonymous" or "ftp" and supply your e-mail address
|
||
|
|
as the password. The files are kept in the directory
|
||
|
|
/pub/Politics/Essays/Conspiracy</p>
|
||
|
|
<p>Instructions for ftp retrieval are dependent upon what sort of system the
|
||
|
|
user is on. On a UNIX machine, at the command prompt, type the following:
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<p>Article 4396 of alt.conspiracy.jfk:
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Subject: Part 38, PACIFICA RADIO Investigates the Murder of President Kennedy
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Keywords: researchers' revelations about the assassination of President Kennedy
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<span class="Message-ID"> 1993Mar10.180611.4222@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU</span>
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Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU
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Followup-To: alt.conspiracy
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Organization: ITC/UVA Community Access UNIX/Internet Project
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Lines: 140</p>
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<p> The following transcript is of a tape-recorded broadcast
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by NO-commercials, NO-corporate-influences, listener-funded,
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beacon-of-truth Pacifica Radio Network station for the People:
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WBAI-FM (99.5)
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505 Eighth Ave., 19th Fl.
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New York, NY 10018 (212) 279-0707</p>
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<p>* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
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(continuation)
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COLONEL L. FLETCHER PROUTY:
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There are people above our Government structure. And when those
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power groups are threatened by a regime such as that which the
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Kennedys were establishing in Washington (their own power center),
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one of them has to give. And the Kennedys lost that one. So, we
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have to accept that a "power elite" DOES exist. It's existing today.
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And it keeps the cover story alive. That's bigger than the crime
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itself because the cover story is covering the way our Government,
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the way our lives are run today. Look around and see.</p>
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<p>GARY NULL:
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So, in other words, it's your feeling, based upon insider
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information .... because you were an insider's insider. You were
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Chief of Special Operations to the Joint Chiefs of Staff. I mean,
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you don't get any closer to the heart of the intelligence community
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than that. Certainly, not at the Armed Forces level. And you were
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also a senior Air Force officer in the Office of Special Operations
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at the Office of the Secretary of Defense. And you were the liaison
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with the Central Intelligence Agency in clandestine operations
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[between the CIA and the U.S. Air Force]. So we have to trust that
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your insights are unique.</p>
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<p>So, you're telling us, very literally, that beyond the three
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branches of our United States Government there is a "power" cabal
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made up of individuals who represent industry, government and
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business (within that, the world of high finance) who can make a
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phone call and kill a story, make a phone call and take out a
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contract, can put into motion any kind of effort that they deem
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essential for THEIR economic or personal well-being, and that they
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are beyond the law because they control all offices. They control
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the Attorney-General of the United States, who is a political
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appointee. And that's been relatively simple. Virtually all of the
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Attorney-Generals, with the exception of two in the last thirty
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years, have been extraordinarily reprehensible people. The "power"
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cabal controls the Federal Bureau of Investigation, because we had
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a very peculiar man running the FBI who had his own set of values.
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They can control politicians. They control the Mass Media, which is
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relatively simple because most, not all, of the Media are owned by
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major corporations. </p>
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<p>So, what you're saying is that these people [of the "power' cabal]
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are simply a law unto themselves, and they stay out of the
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spotlight, they don't seek publicity, but they do seek power.
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And they maintain power through economic power. And they see to it
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that they win, no matter what happens, on any level.
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Is that what you're telling us?</p>
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<p>L. FLETCHER PROUTY:
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Gary, you're telling the story pretty straight. Let me add
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something. It may sound kind of small and precise. But it's exactly
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the kind of example that just draws a line under what you've said.</p>
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<p>I happened to be in New Zealand, on the way back from the South
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Pole, when I heard about President Kennedy being killed. And I just
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heard that as a momentary flash over the radio. And, since I was
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transient there, I didn't have the radio to keep listening. I went
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out on the street and I looked for a newspaper. Before long, the
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local paper in Christ Church, New Zealand printed The Star as an
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extra. And on the front page of The Star, there was a large picture
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of Kennedy, of course. And on the other side of the page, across
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from that, there was a picture of the building, the Texas School
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Book Depository that we've all heard about now, where the killer
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was supposed to have been firing from. And, as I looked at that
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picture, I saw that many windows were open. Now this was a picture
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taken in real time. In other words, it was taken at the time that
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the murder happened, or very close to that. And the picture was
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flashed, by radio, around the World. And I turned to a congressman
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who was with me, and I said: "Look, there's something wrong in
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Dallas. The protective organization that we have in the Military
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and the Secret Service, would NEVER have permitted overlooking
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windows to be open when the President goes by."</p>
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<p>Well, you see, there is an organization within the Military that is
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trained for what we call the protection of the President. And one
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of their jobs is to close windows in overlooking buildings, and so
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on and so forth. But I found out, when I got back to the United
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States, that the organization that should have been in Dallas
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protecting the President had SOMEHOW been called by somebody who
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knew the system, who knew the code words. And the commandant, the
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commanding officer of that organization, had been told: "You're not
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needed in Dallas. We're going to have another unit in Dallas." And
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this is routine. There are many units. So he didn't go to Dallas.
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But then he found out that NOBODY ELSE was there. Dallas was OPEN!</p>
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<p>The Secret Service was not there at Dealey Plaza where the President
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was killed. There were FALSE Secret Service people there. There
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were FALSE military officers there. There were FALSE policemen
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there. We have PHOTOGRAPHS of them. There are these photographs of
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"the tramps" that a lot of people have seen, showing the policeman
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in front of them and the policeman in back of them, leading them to
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the sheriff's office. If you look carefully, the two policemen in
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the photographs have different uniforms on. They are ACTORS!
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The "tramps" are actors! And, if you've been in the business of
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protecting the President, you KNOW that things like that
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don't happen.</p>
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<p>Now, there are only a FEW people who would KNOW -- who would have
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the authority to tell those units that have been specially trained
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to protect the President -- to tell them NOT to do their jobs!
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It's like a fireman. You don't tell a fireman NOT to go when the
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bells ring and the fire is across the street. He's trained to do it.
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But suppose somebody said: "Don't go. There's going to be another
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fire truck." That requires "power" from the top. That defines what
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you were just talking about, Gary, and what I was talking about.
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That defines the "power elite" who can come from the top and
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nullify things. There's where the power is.
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(to be continued)
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* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *</p>
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<p> If you agree that this story deserves broad public attention,
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please help to disseminate it by posting it to computer
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bulletin boards, and by posting hardcopies in public places,
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both on and off campus. As evidence accrues concerning the
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corporate mass media's thirty year cover-up of the corporate
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CIA's coup d'etat against the People of the United States,
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the need for citizen reportage becomes ever more striking.</p>
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<p> John DiNardo</p>
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<p>The episodes of this and other series can be retrieved
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via anonymous ftp from the site:
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red.css.itd.umich.edu
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Log in with name "anonymous" or "ftp" and supply your e-mail address
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as the password. The files are kept in the directory
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/pub/Politics/Essays/Conspiracy</p>
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<p>Instructions for ftp retrieval are dependent upon what sort of system the
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user is on. On a UNIX machine, at the command prompt, type the following:
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ftp red.css.itd.umich.edu This may be different on IBMs and Vax systems.
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Archivist: Paul Southworth, pauls@css.itd.umich.edu</p>
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<p>Article 20 of biz.clarinet.sample:
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Path: ns-mx!iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu!maverick.ksu.ksu.edu!rutgers!shelby!lll-winken!looking!clarinews
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From: clarinews@clarinet.com
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Newsgroups: clari.news.movies,biz.clarinet.sample
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Subject: Kennedy statue must be removed for cleaning
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Keywords: police, legal, art, movies
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<span class="Message-ID"> 2Rkennedy-statue_163@clarinet.com</span>
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Date: 7 Aug 90 18:02:55 GMT
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Followup-To: biz.clarinet.sample
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Lines: 32
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Approved: clarinews@clarinet.com
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Location: new england states, massachusetts
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ACategory: regional
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Slugword: ma-kennedy-statue
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Priority: regular
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ANPA: Wc: 391; Id: u1507; Sel: bu--u; Adate: 8-7-2ped; Ver: insert
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Codes: ynlprxb., yea.rma., yev.rxb.
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Note: (ny) (editors: note language in 10thgraf) (2grafinsert after5thgraf xxx
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statue.'' pickup6thgraf: No estimate -- adds name of foundry, time for cleaning)</p>
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<p>BOSTON (UPI) -- A newly dedicated statue of President John F.
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Kennedy in front of the Statehouse on Beacon Hill will be returned to
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its foundry to clean graffiti from the memorial, officials said Tuesday.
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A man apparently obsessed with the late actress Marilyn Monroe
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claimed responsibility for spray-painting white splotches of paint and
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the word "murderer'' on the 8-foot bronze statue over the weekend.
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Workers using a mild acid were able to hose the paint off the base
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of the memorial, but did not attempt to treat the statue itself.
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"They are going to move it,'' said Greg Arnold, superintendent of
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state office buildings. "They're going to take it back to the foundry
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and try to put additional protection on it.''
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Arnold said the cleansers used on the base of the memorial were not
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suitable for the statue. "It's a stone wash, and you can't do that to
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the bronze and the patina of the statue.''
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Noel Danforth, a spokeswoman for the legislative commission that
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oversees the memorial, said the statue would be sent to the Tallix
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Foundry in Beacon, N.Y.
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"It's about a three to four week process, depending on how much
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work they have to do on it and if they have to repatinate it,'' Danforth
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said.
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No estimate for the amount of damage to the statue was immediately
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available. The statue was to be removed Wednesday, Arnold said.
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The defacement took place on the 28th anniversary of Monroe's
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suicide. The blond sexpot has been linked romantically to Kennedy in
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published reports in recent years.
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"The caller stated ... 'Why don't you take a wild look at the JFK
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statue in front of the Statehouse. The m----------r murdered Marilyn Monroe,
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now it's his turn,'' said Capt. Paul Mahoney, commander of the Capitol
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Police, which oversees state government buildings and grounds.
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The statue, which depicts a striding Kennedy, was dedicated May 29
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on what would have been Kennedy's 73rd birthday.</p>
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