diff --git a/user/templates/debian/debian.md b/user/templates/debian/debian.md
index c070791d..622d3e6d 100644
--- a/user/templates/debian/debian.md
+++ b/user/templates/debian/debian.md
@@ -12,19 +12,18 @@ title: Debian templates
 ---
 
 The Debian [template](/doc/templates/) is an officially [supported](/doc/supported-releases/#templates) template in Qubes OS.
-This page is about the standard (or "full") Debian template.
+The Current version is Debian 12 ("bookworm"). It is available in 3 versions - `debian-12`, a standard template; `debian-12-xfce`, a larger template with more installed applications, selected for [Xfce](/doc/templates/xfce/); `debian-12-minimal`.
+This page is about the "full" templates.
 For the minimal version, please see the [Minimal templates](/doc/templates/minimal/) page.
-There is also a [Qubes page on the Debian Wiki](https://wiki.debian.org/Qubes).
 
 ## Installing
 
-To [install](/doc/templates/#installing) a specific Debian template that is not currently installed in your system, use the following command in dom0:
+To [install](/doc/templates/#installing) a specific Debian template that is not currently installed in your system, use the Qubes Template Manager, or use the following command in a dom0 terminal:
 
 ```
-$ sudo qubes-dom0-update qubes-template-debian-XX
+$ qvm-template install XX
 ```
-
-   (Replace `XX` with the Debian version number of the template you wish to install.)
+   (Replace `XX` with the name of the template you wish to install.)
 
 To reinstall a Debian template that is already installed in your system, see [How to Reinstall a template](/doc/reinstall-template/).
 
@@ -100,10 +99,8 @@ Don't forget to make the file executable.
 
 ### Unattended Upgrades
 
-Some users have noticed that on upgrading to Stretch, the `unattended-upgrade` package is installed.
-
+Some users have noticed that on upgrading Debian templates, the `unattended-upgrade` package is installed.
 This package is pulled in as part of a Recommend chain, and can be purged.
-
 The lesson is that you should carefully look at what is being installed to your system, particularly if you run `dist-upgrade`.
 
 ### Package installation errors in Qubes 4.0
diff --git a/user/templates/fedora/fedora.md b/user/templates/fedora/fedora.md
index eefa7fac..baffd3d4 100644
--- a/user/templates/fedora/fedora.md
+++ b/user/templates/fedora/fedora.md
@@ -6,17 +6,15 @@ ref: 136
 title: Fedora templates
 ---
 
-The Fedora [template](/doc/templates/) is the default template in Qubes OS. This page is about the standard (or "full") Fedora template. For the minimal and Xfce versions, please see the [Minimal templates](/doc/templates/minimal/) and [Xfce templates](/doc/templates/xfce/) pages.
+The Fedora [template](/doc/templates/) is the default template in Qubes OS. The current version is Fedora 41. This page is about the standard (or "full") Fedora template. For the minimal and Xfce versions, please see the [Minimal templates](/doc/templates/minimal/) and [Xfce templates](/doc/templates/xfce/) pages.
 
 ## Installing
 
-To [install](/doc/templates/#installing) a specific Fedora template that is not currently installed in your system, use the following command in dom0:
-
+To [install](/doc/templates/#installing) a specific Fedora template that is not currently installed in your system, use the Qubes Template Manager, or use the following command in a dom0 terminal:
 ```
-$ sudo qubes-dom0-update qubes-template-fedora-XX
+$ qvm-template install XX 
 ```
-
-   (Replace `XX` with the Fedora version number of the template you wish to install.)
+   (Replace `XX` with the name of the Fedora template you wish to install.)
 
 To reinstall a Fedora template that is already installed in your system, see [How to Reinstall a template](/doc/reinstall-template/).